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Ron said:
Matt doesent seem to think Pirsig added much to 
Pragmatism but I tend to think it's argueable that RMP 
lended strength through morals to Pragmatic meaning. 
Basically against the amoral objective view of it. By 
equating Pramatic truth value with "the good" and by 
breaking that value into  two kinds  A dynamic truth 
value and a static truth value. I feel by dividing up these 
two variations of "the good" in four types of catagories 
explains and gives strength for a need to uphold social 
moral standards in the face of scientific objectivity. 
Something Pragmatism in my opinion, lacked.

Matt:
Well, certainly this area's all very much arguable.  What 
I can't wrap my head around is what, say, "strength 
through morals" Pirsig lent pragmatism.  Afterall, it was 
Dewey who said that reality was an evaluative term.  If 
that's not an analogue to Quality, I'm not sure what is.  
And alongside Dewey's view that all philosophy was 
really philosophy of education, I don't really perceive the 
lack in the classical pragmatists "for a need to uphold 
social moral standards in the face of scientific objectivity."  
I'm uncomfortable with saying "Pirsig didn't add much to 
pragmatism," but it certainly seems like I say that.  I 
think the difference might be that I think Pirsig's 
accomplishments are in a different direction than other 
people do.

Ron:
Hello Matt, You are certainly more read on the subject of Pragmatism
than I. It seemed to me based on what I read that Pragmatism
seemed to come at the proposition of value meaning from an objective 
point of view. Perhaps because I read it with eyes already colored by 
Pirsigs work .To me, Pragmatism didn't venture into the justification
for the primacy of social moral value just a kind of objective asessment of it's
existence and part it plays in forming value judgements.


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