[MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Platt]
Of course you don't. You only see what supports your neoscientific
Qualipantheism.

[Arlo]
I am looking for the best interpretation as evidenced by the totality of his
thoughts, not just one select quote to "prove" he uses the word "create" in any
specific way.

As I said, when you say "Quality created carbon atoms" it REMOVES the dynamic
freedom, the experiential response to Quality for those subatomic particles. It
makes them "pawns" in the enacted plan of Qualigod.

If you hold that there is freedom, ever WAS freedom, at the lower levels, then
this entails a "chance" that they would NOT have acted the way they did. If
they had no "choice", they were not free. If they were "free", they had a
"choice". Once you allow for this freedom, you introduce "oops" (or better,
AHA!). If you eliminate "oops", you eliminate freedom.

Let me ask it this way. Did DQ create LILA? Didn't Pirsig? Didn't LILA emerge
from the total experience of Pirsig within his unique social history? If DQ
"created" it, then Pirsig was just a choiceless vessel. 

When Pirsig says, ""When inorganic patterns of reality create life the
Metaphysics of Quality postulates that they've done so because it's "better"
and that this definition of "betterness" -this beginning response to Dynamic
Quality-is an elementary unit of ethics upon which all right and wrong can be
based." (LILA), this use of "create" synthesizes exactly with the DQ/SQ
experiential foundation of the MOQ. 

It says, Quality does not "create" anything, things appear as a result of
responses TO Quality. And as such there is always "freedom", always possibility
to go in unexpected directions.

I mean, is not that precisely what DQ is? Unexpectedness?

If everything is ordered, created, planned, enacted, there is no
unexpectedness, just the expected and deliberate unfolding of freedomless
things being arranged by Quality.

So I look to the heart of the MOQ to see in what way "create" is best
understood. And it is NOT to say that "DQ created LILA", but that "Pirsig
created LILA in response to DQ". It may NOT have happened. And that is the
beauty of DQ. 

[Platt]
Only someone from the insular world of academia would glorify
deconstructionism.  

[Arlo]
Yeah, you are right. Only someone from academia would be interested in
understanding something, rather than selecting acontextual quotes to support
their agenda. 

[Platt]
Transparent rhetorical device: inventing quotes. But, expected.. 

[Arlo]
A Pee Wee! Since this is precisely what I just said to you! Nice!

Nonetheless, I'm not sure why you are wasting time trying to distort this away
from what you said. I mean, I know why, its just sad.

Listen. In a planned and enacted world, there is no freedom. The MOQ is based
on freedom, from quarks to mathematics. You keep harping about a world where
things occur due to some willful plan, and I am saying to you that such a world
is a dead world. AHA!, the MOQ, is alive and rife with possibility, potential,
chance, oops and AHA!. Your world is devoid of DQ, is simply the ordered
construction of Qualigod. 

As I pointed out, if you say that "man" is here not by chance, not by oops, but
to serve some role in a "plan", then you deny that DQ was ever operational at
any of the lower levels. Carbon atoms were formed not out of the value
experience of quarks, but quarks being ordered into this arrangement to serve
the plan of Qualigod.

And, even is you begin freedom with "man", YOUR personal existence is still an
"oops", a cosmic accident, something that may or may not have happened. The
only way to overcome that YOU are here by OOPS is to posit that everything
leading up to YOUR existence was ordered precisely to create YOU.

And that, Platt, is NOT the MOQ. It may help you sleep at night, but I'd
suggest a good Kentucky bourbon instead.

[Platt]
We're still waiting for you answer explaining why, how and from what 
this "value ground" of yours "emerged."

[Arlo]
This "value ground" of "mine"??? You mean Quality? Didn't you read ZMM/LILA??