[MD] Emotions

[markhsmit]

Hi Bodvar,

Thanks for you post below, I will reply not in the form of
point by point refutation dialogue, but more as a
picture paragraph.

If what you mean by newbie is that I am looking at MoQ
with fresh eyes, then indeed you are accurate.  It is easy to
get caught up in the dogma and lose site of the essence so
using a beginner's mind is appropriate in metaphysics.  Simplicity
far outweighs complexity as a solution.

Emotions v intellect is what I hear.  I suppose that semantics plays
a large part in this discussion.  Which one is "higher" depends
of course on how you define them.  I appreciate the fact that you want
to elevate the intellectual level and then transcend beyond to
see Quality from its own level.  This is akin to the Taoist tradition.
Such a tradition does not require an intellectual level.

If one is trying to use intellect to get outside of intellect you will find
that to be impossible.  However, the emotional level (of which intellect
is a part imo) is capable.  The reason you find MoQ fulfilling or right,
or correct, or the way to think, is because it Feels right.  It all makes sense
from an emotional level.  If you change your mind, its because the new
way of thinking Feels better.  Logic can take you in any direction you 
want intellectually, where you decide to go and stop is based on 
your feelings about it.  When you say "this sounds right", what you mean
is "this feels right".

If you try to separate the intellectual from the emotional you are left with
empty words that either mean nothing or mean everything.  You cannot
separate words and logic from the way they make you feel.  The highest
level we can imagine is the emotional, the intellect (or intellectual level) is
an expression of those emotions.  There is no way it can transcend them
no matter how much logic you use.  But you can feel it without logic.

Cheers,
Willblake2
On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:21:01 AM, skutvik at online.no wrote:
From:   skutvik at online.no
Subject:    Re: [MD] Emotions
Date:   November 13, 2009 9:21:01 AM PST
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Hi Marksmit

11 Nov.

> Ah yes, the Emotions.  That primitive animal sensibility. It is quite
> possible that that which we call the intellect is simply an appendage
> of the so call emotions.  A small part of our brain that developed so
> that we could communicate such emotions.  A little region in the front
> of our brains that somehow became all that there is.  A prefrontal
> group of neurons that became so self serving, that it relegated the
> rest of the body to merely an appendage.   

Emotions are neither biological nor primitive, they are the social 
expression "par excellance". And "intellect" is not an appendage of 
anything, but the MOQ's highest level. Write that down! Don't take my 
schoolmaster tone too serious, but I'm exasperated over this emotion 
as biology nonsense. 

Intellect is out of/on top of society*) so intellect's REASON is definitely 
out of society's EMOTION, but no appendage. And the levels are not 
"located" in the brain even if neural complexity - the neocortex 
especially - plays a part for "intelligence", but this must NOT be 
confused with the MOQ's intellect. 

*) society = the social level, not any ant colony.

> The intellect is used to transfer emotions.  It is no more separate 
> from the rest of the body than the eye or the skin.  

Had you only said "transcend". Any level's purpose is to escape its 
parent level, thus intellect's evil is emotion what REASON scoffs at 
and calls "subjective". However another Q-tenet is that intellect has 
social roots and will never truly be free. LILA's example of this is the 
scientist who will "manipulate" experiments to obtain social fame and 
fortune. 

"Intellect no more separate from the rest ...etc". Of course, intellect is 
out of society which is out of biology, which is out of "inorgany" ... ALL 
ARE OUT OF QUALITY!!! 

> It is part and parcel of sensibility.

Yes, intellect is out of society, but all Q-levels are realities in their own 
right and their causes are to transcend the former level. No need to re-
invent the wheel ;-) 

> To elevate the intellect above the emotions is like saying the coach is
> the team, the ski is the skier, the apple is the tree. 

Intellect is the highest static level, but right now the enormous difficult 
task is to transcend intellect and begin to see things from MOQ's 
perspective and that seems next to impossible. That you Marksmit 
lapses back - or never have left - intellect(SOM) is forgivable, but this 
discussion has alleged moqists who work overtime to keep the MOQ 
from leaving intellect - from leaving SOM. . 

> It's fine to have levels, but sometimes I think the MOQ has got them
> completely backwards.  The intellect is such a small portion of the
> inorganic that it is almost insignificant. 

You display the said intellect-SOM view, but as a newbie you are 
magnanimously forgiven. (SMILEY) 

> And, the emotions are so much more than the biological, they are
> inorganic forces which create our selves.

"Emotions are so much more than the biological" True, but "...they are 
inorganic forces ... etc." Phew! The "self" (the self-conscious entity 
that sits inside our heads) is an intellectual (SOM) product. 


Bodvar, the "terror" of this site ;-) 




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