[MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness

[plattholden at gmail.com]

On 14 Nov 2009 at 18:23, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

> [Platt]
> The point you made is Quality doesn't create anything. Do you see the words
> "creation" and "creative" in the above quote? What do you think he's talking
> about, public housing? 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Okay. Again. Yes, he "uses" the word "create". But he also does here.
> 
> "When inorganic patterns of reality create life the Metaphysics of Quality
> postulates that they've done so because it's "better" and that this definition
> of "betterness" -this beginning response to Dynamic Quality-is an elementary
> unit of ethics upon which all right and wrong can be based." (LILA)
> 
> In this second quote, its certainly not Quality doing the "creating", but the
> inorganic patterns in "response to Dynamic Quality".
> 
> I am saying, this quote more accurately captures the meaning. And I've shown
> how.

And I'm saying the following quote (in addition to the one above you 
deliberately omitted, and the one before that in a previous post) 
accurately captures the meaning. 

"But restrictions that stop the degenerates also stop the creative
Dynamic forces of evolution." (Lila, 17) 

I've shown how by directly quoting Pirsig. You the other hand talk about 
what's in his heart and the tenor of his words, carefully avoiding what he 
says and/or completely misinterpreting what he says.  

> For example, if you say "Quality created carbon atoms" or "Quality created the
> book LILA", you completely eliminate freedom from the equation. Subatomic
> particles had no "choice" but to form "carbon atoms". Pirsig had no "choice"
> but to create LILA.
> 
> DQ = unexpectedness = freedom = choice.
> 
> And this means that things are not "preplanned", but unexpected things get
> latched.
> 
> [Platt]
> Dialogue with you? Learn something from you? You missed your calling as a
> comedian.  
> 
> [Arlo]
> Its a shame you won't try to learn something here, Platt. Yes, from me. And I
> am trying my hardest to have a dialogue here, but you keep resorting to insult
> and evasion. Why is that?

Learn from you? God Lord man, are you really that arrogant?

> [Platt]
> Obviously you see in the MOQ only what you want to see.
> 
> [Arlo]
> This is funny since I am the only one taking into account the entirety of his
> use of the word "create" AND how best to understand that according to his other
> descriptions of the MOQ.
> 
> You provide the quote "Quality creates the world in which we live", and I am
> saying that read like this it destroys the meaning Pirsig build everywhere
> else. It is far better to say, "the world emerges out of responses TO Quality;
> interwoven, inter-related, intercontextual responses ranging from the inorganic
> to the intellectual level".
> 
> And THAT is the meaning provided in the quote I have given.
> 
> What is really sad is that THIS is the freedom in the MOQ. In your planned and
> orchestrated world where man was destined to appear, created for a reason,
> there is no freedom. You in effect appropriate the language of the MOQ but pour
> the words onto a theistic revision.

And I say it's sad to see you appropriate the language of the MOQ but 
pour the words onto a pseudoscientific pantheistic revision. 

> Again, I am really sorry you prefer attacking me, than taking the time to
> understand this.

And I'm sorry you think I am in one of your classrooms where captive 
students are forced to swallow your "understandings."