[MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness

[plattholden at gmail.com]

On 15 Nov 2009 at 12:44, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

> [Platt]
> This creative force, DQ, precludes your nihilistic idea that the universe 
> evolved as the result of dumb luck, or miraculously "emerged" from a kind of
> pseudoscientific pantheistic poker game.
> 
> [Arlo]
> And so we revert back to theism. I had hopes, given your reply to Steve, you
> were really understanding this. Apparently I was wrong.

As usual, you're.wrong. There's nothing theistic about Quality. 

> Quality does not "create". Creation occurs as a response to Quality. 
> 
> MOQ Evolution is AHA! It is "unexpected". You can keep saying "dumb luck" and
> your usual evasion Wuritzers, but at least you admit that there is "no plan".
> Without a "plan", there was never any guarantee that "we" would be here. A
> fluke asteroid, a renegade virus, a differently time solar flare, and viola!...
> no "man". So yes, I'd say it is pretty lucky the biological pattern "man"
> emerged.
> 
> And that is perhaps the key that keeps you from showing any understanding here,
> Platt. Free value responses, interwoven across the spectrum of inorganic and
> up, act in their own interest, not ours. Nothing manipulates them to set the
> stage for our appearance. 
> 
> The MOQ is emergentist. Patterns (SQ) emerge as a free value response to DQ.
> Not by some manipulative external orchestration.
> 
> So answer my questions, Platt. 
> 
> Did "Quality create the MOQ"?

Yes. 

> What about Pirsig?

What created Pirsig?

>  Do you really think saying
> "Quality created the MOQ" is better than saying "the MOQ emerged from Pirsig's
> free value responses to DQ"?

Yes. 

> Did "Quality create the Mona Lisa"?

Yes. 

> What role did
> the artist play? 
 
What created the artist?

So answer my questions, Arlo, simply and directly if you can. .