[MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness

[plattholden at gmail.com]

Hi Bo, Mark, All:

Seems to me that by saying the universe emerged with Quality that 
you've ducked the question, "Why did the universe emerge?"  Was it, 
"Oops, suddenly a universe appeared" as Arlo believes? Or did it turn 
up because it was good to do so as the MOQ suggests? Pirsig says that 
Quality is "the source of all things." To me that includes the universe 
and existence as we know it. 

There's no reason to spooked by anyone's charges of theism. The 
creative power of Quality can be viewed as a perfectly natural 
phenomenon. Just because it may not fall into the scientist's definition of 
natural -- namely that which can be measured and/or reproduced by 
experiment -- doesn't mean Quality is a God of religious faith. It could 
simply be an intrinsic principle of rightness.

Let's not be limited in our thinking by the scientific SOM worldview. Isn't 
that the underlying message of the MOQ? Or as Hamlet put it, "There 
are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your 
philosophy."

Looking forward to your comments.

Regards,
Platt  




On 16 Nov 2009 at 10:04, skutvik at online.no wrote:

> Hello Marksmit
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> 15 Nov. you wrote (to Arlo):
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> > The universe did not emerge in response to Quality, the
> > universe emerged with Quality (imo).  In this way one
> > does not give Quality God-like powers.  This is similar
> > to the notion of emergence of everything from Tao.  The
> > only difference is that we believe that we understand the
> > direction that is emergence with Quality is going.
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> "The universe emerged WITH Quality"!  
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> This sounds just RIGHT and it fits my "MOQ the meta-level that 
> contains the Quality System" that so many protest or don't understand. 
> Even Pirsig spoils his great achievement by the "Quality/MOQ" 
> statement which gives Quality a God-like position and the DQ/SQ just 
> one way of interpreting his divine reality. The DQ/SQ universe 
> emerged with the MOQ! This also fits Phaedrus Newton Gravity 
> parable that no one in this discussion understands or wants to touch ... 
> with a poker. Forget all my condescending "newbie" talk, the true 
> understanding may come from the most unsuspected directions.
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