[MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness

[MarshaV]

Praise goodness!!!    


-----Original Message-----
From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of
plattholden at gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:59 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness

Hi Marsha,

Love your "thank goodness." Explains a lot don't you think?

Platt


On 16 Nov 2009 at 8:31, MarshaV wrote:

> 
> Hi Platt,
> 
> Not spooked, revolted.  Thank goodness the MoQ is anti-theistic...      
> 
> 
> Marsha     
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of
> plattholden at gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:28 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness
> 
> Hi Bo, Mark, All:
> 
> Seems to me that by saying the universe emerged with Quality that 
> you've ducked the question, "Why did the universe emerge?"  Was it, 
> "Oops, suddenly a universe appeared" as Arlo believes? Or did it turn 
> up because it was good to do so as the MOQ suggests? Pirsig says that 
> Quality is "the source of all things." To me that includes the universe 
> and existence as we know it. 
> 
> There's no reason to spooked by anyone's charges of theism. The 
> creative power of Quality can be viewed as a perfectly natural 
> phenomenon. Just because it may not fall into the scientist's definition
of 
> natural -- namely that which can be measured and/or reproduced by 
> experiment -- doesn't mean Quality is a God of religious faith. It could 
> simply be an intrinsic principle of rightness.
> 
> Let's not be limited in our thinking by the scientific SOM worldview.
Isn't 
> that the underlying message of the MOQ? Or as Hamlet put it, "There 
> are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your 
> philosophy."
> 
> Looking forward to your comments.
> 
> Regards,
> Platt  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Nov 2009 at 10:04, skutvik at online.no wrote:
> 
> > Hello Marksmit
> > 
> > 15 Nov. you wrote (to Arlo):
> > 
> > > The universe did not emerge in response to Quality, the
> > > universe emerged with Quality (imo).  In this way one
> > > does not give Quality God-like powers.  This is similar
> > > to the notion of emergence of everything from Tao.  The
> > > only difference is that we believe that we understand the
> > > direction that is emergence with Quality is going.
> > 
> > "The universe emerged WITH Quality"!  
> > 
> > This sounds just RIGHT and it fits my "MOQ the meta-level that 
> > contains the Quality System" that so many protest or don't understand. 
> > Even Pirsig spoils his great achievement by the "Quality/MOQ" 
> > statement which gives Quality a God-like position and the DQ/SQ just 
> > one way of interpreting his divine reality. The DQ/SQ universe 
> > emerged with the MOQ! This also fits Phaedrus Newton Gravity 
> > parable that no one in this discussion understands or wants to touch ...

> > with a poker. Forget all my condescending "newbie" talk, the true 
> > understanding may come from the most unsuspected directions.
> > 
> > Bodvar        
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Moq_Discuss mailing list
> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> Archives:
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
> 
> Moq_Discuss mailing list
> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> Archives:
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/


Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/