[MD] in defence of the "relative"

[MarshaV]

John,   

Okay, but most of the time I'm just processing along...  What are your
favorite type of goals?   



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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
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Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"

Marsha,


To my mind, method stems from  intention whereas process is something that
works itself out.

Thus my method is something I do to achieve a goal, whereas my process is
something external that I join.





On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:20 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> Hi John,
>
> Relativism seems a process to me.  In your book what is the difference
> between process and method?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:01 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"
>
> Ummm. Not sure what application the future needs, but I just wanted to
> clarify that the distinction I made between relativism as an absolute and
> relativism as a method wasn't actually MY distinction, it was Ron's.  And
> He'd probably point out it wasn't HIS it came from Protagoras but I'm
> pretty
> sure Protogoras stole it from somebody else.
>
> The theft continues ever
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I meant that you were inferring more in the quotes supporting relativism
> > than were supplied, possibly to discredit the argument, not the normal
> > inferring necessary for common communication.
> >
> > Sure, if you want to present some distinctions between method and
> > metaphysics, but fist make the presentation of a general sort.  Save the
> > application to relativism for some time in the future.
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
> > [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:26 PM
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"
> >
> > We all infer more than is stated constantly.  No choice in that.  Don't
> you
> > think the distinction between relativism as a method and relativism as a
> > metaphysics is helpful?
> >
> > John the scary machinist
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:20 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > Your post to Ham spoke of 'total relativism' which sounds typical of
> > > Plato's
> > > scarey machinations. And I haven't heard anybody suggesting that
> > relativism
> > > should be a new temple.  You are inferring more than was stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > Marsha
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
> > > [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:03 PM
> > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"
> > >
> > > Good stuff to discuss Marsha,
> > >
> > > "Relativism sees itself, therefore, as breaking a temple or two.
> Nothing
> > > > too grand, perhaps, but a way of letting some fresh air into those
> > closed
> > > > buildings of the mind.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Nothing too grand" as a proper metaphysical ground in and of itself,
> but
> > a
> > > useful method (as Ron posits) for tearing down other's temples.
> > >
> > > As a fellow iconoclastic anarchist, I applaud.  But once you set
> > Relativism
> > > up as a temple itself, its ripe for knocking down.  As I demonstrate
in
> > my
> > > answer to Ham this morning.
> > >
> > > So would you be happy if I offered you a distinction between
methodical
> > and
> > > metaphysical relativism?
> > >
> > > Let the play continue!
> > >
> > > John the "I'm happy if you're happy"
>
>
>
>
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