[MD] British Emergentism

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Arlo previously] 
Without an agent attuned the value of "bigger-ness", such a distinction would
not exist. If you say it does, then answer "where?" 

[Craig]
It does.  It's not just surfers who experience waves of different sizes. All
the fish in the sea do (& all the driftwood too). 

[Arlo]
Surfers = agents attuned to the value of "biggerness". Fish, too, I suppose,
but to a very limited degree (if "bigger" waves held some value for them, they
would be aware of the distinction). 

Driftwood? Unlikely. What value distinction would "driftwood" experience
between wave sizes? 

[Craig]
Why consider the order an illusion?  If it's what we experience, (except in
exceptional cases) it's reality. 

[Arlo]
Sounds like the S/O position, does it not? I think the MOQ sees patterns more
as "Gestalt illusions", high Quality ones, to be sure. The "greater" the
preferred response to Quality, the more "fixed" and "real" we hold that pattern
to be.