[MD] British Emergentism

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Craig]
A surfer (or driftwood) goes faster or further on a big wave than on a smaller
one, regardless of what he thinks.

[Arlo]
No. "Fast" is something we, as humans, ascribe to our experience of this. The
human, for sure, does experience "faster", since such a thing is part of his
value-experience. Driftwood, however, does not. 

[Craig]
So reality is not subjective. 

[Arlo]
Nor is it objective.

[Craig]
But if patterns are fundamental, both alternatives could be compatible
 
[Arlo]
Interesting. My take on the MOQ is that Quality is fundamental, and that
patterns only emerge as a response to this foundation.