[MD] (Fwd) Re: British Emergentism

[John Carl]

Not that it was "your" real reality, Steve, I mean the choice of words which
you used to make your point - with which I mainly agree.

But the idea that our words never match this real reality is one I've argued
against for a long time.  Its unprovable to say our concepts never match
"real" reality, just as unprovable to say they do.   When our words get
close, we are happy enough to settle.  Happy enough to settle means "meeting
the standard".  And that my friends, is how I define perfect.

Perfectly Content John




On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:35 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

> I smile at your "real reality" Steve.
>
> Will the real reality  please stand up!
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> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Steven Peterson <
> peterson.steve at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Andre Broersen
>> <andrebroersen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > John to Steve:
>> > The easiest way to describe my disagreement is when my reality is
>> > conceptual - the LAW of gravity, for instance.  It's a piece of
>> > symbolic reasoning that can be completely and thoroughly encapsulated
>> > by the human mind, transmitted cleanly and in its pattern - conceived
>> > as a piece of reality itself - is only transmittable through language.
>> >   How can you then say that language can't get us any closer to the
>> > reality of the law of gravity?
>> >
>> > Andre:
>> > Hi John (again). I think that the MoQ would consider the Law of
>> > Gravity a high quality intellectual PoV as a description of (a part
>> > of) reality. However, this description is not reality itself.
>>
>> Steve:
>> I'd say so too, Andre.
>>
>> John, I don't mean that words aren't real. Of course they are. I'm
>> critiquing the idea that there is a real Reality that stands behind a
>> veil of appearances, and that we are either hopelessly out of touch
>> with this real Reality or we can hope to someday discover the correct
>> words that get us in touch with the way things really are. Bo seems to
>> think that the MOQ is that set of correct words.
>>
>> Best,
>> Steve
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