[MD] in defence of the "relative"

[markhsmit]

Hi Joe,

I was just pointing out another way of looking at things.
If one assumes that there is no creation, no big bang,
no creator, it puts a different spin on things.  I don't think
it is to unask the question, I think it's answering the question.

If we imagine existence to be perpetual, it changes a lot.

Mark


On Nov 29, 2009, at 12:06:48 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From:   "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at sbcglobal.net>
Subject:    Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"
Date:   November 29, 2009 12:06:48 PM PST
To: "moq_discuss at moqtalk.org" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
On 11/28/09 8:25 PM, "markhsmit" <markhsmit at aol.com> wrote:

Hi Mark,

If existence is perpetual How could we ever know that? I know unask the
question. Does existence come in levels? I know unask the question. What
is growing? Unask the question. Metaphysics becomes unask the question.
What is left? Unask the question! Imho.

Joe

> Hi Joe,
> There is an alternative to a creator.  That is that everything has
> always existed.  Our notion of birth comes from our own.  This has
> indeed been used to postulate a big bang as the beginning.  It is
> quite possible that the universe is static.  That is it has always existed.
> No creation needed.  However, there is continual flux. Rise and decline,
> appearance disappearance.  Evolution as a metaphor is flawed because
> it assumes a pressure forcing evolution.  If Quality is evolving, what is the
> pressure causing the evolution?  I think Pirsig confuses evolution with 
> growth.
> 
> Just MHO,
> Mark


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