[MD] ego vs self

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Ham

28 Sep. you said.:

> Personally, I don't consider "awareness of objective reality" a
> "monster platypus".  I consider it an accurate definition of
> existence.

What I meant was: Regarding SUBJECTIVE awareness as 
fundamentally different from an OBJECTIVE world "out there". i.e. 
regarding this as existence's deepest divide -  then - this creates 
paradoxes. On the other hand, regarding the S/O (in moqspeak) as a 
mere static subset of the DQ/SQ, then all paradoxes disappears.      

So (starting all over): Is the "awareness/what it's aware of" your 
fundamental split? 

Re. Descartes (who you initially said dismissed the "self", but now 
admit affirmed it) 

> Of course he did ...but he arrived at "I think, therefore I AM" only
> after ruling out everything else that he doubts about, including
> himself. 

Sure! That's the point.

> Using the MoQ hierarchy as your bible, you come to the opposite
> conclusion: "Everything I experience is a pattern, therefore I am a
> pattern too"! 

The human being an aggregate of the four quality levels (including all 
their "patterns". Sure, another Q tenet.

>  I don't know how Platt feels about this, but Descartes makes more
> sense to me. Incidentally, how can you regard Descartes as
> "pre-intellectual" in the historic sense, since he clearly refers to
> the subject 'I' doing the thinking? 

I do not regard Descartes as "pre-intellectual". He was the one who 
brought intellect-as-SOM to a head with himself as a thinking subject 
aware of a  world. If this is an example of your interpretation of my 
position ... no wonder!   


Bodvar