[MD] Intellect Worship

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John:
I think the only solutions is social quality, intellectual quality and
biological quality, all in harmony.

Ron:
Now THAT is the kinda intellectual pattern I can go for,
that is a high quality idea.One thats better than any laws
you could make about it.


 


----- Original Message ----
From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 12:45:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Intellect Worship

Arlo, Platt,
I'm just gonna dip my toes in these waters, as they look so warm and
inviting...

[Platt]
> Anti-intellectualism as a moral movement?
>
> [Arlo]
> I think you could make the argument that the the Hippie movement should
> have
> "transcended" intellectualism, instead many sought to destroy it AND social
> patterns, leading to the placing biological patterns atop their way of
> life.
> This is when/where the Hippies lost their moral path.
>


Ok, then.  First, not all hippies lost their moral path.  Society definitely
rejected the direction the social dropouts chose, and went a different way.
But so?  Wasn't that the point?  Are there not thousands and thousands
living today in as naturalistic fashion as they sought?  Who have kept the
hippie faith and still live according to hippy values?

True, they aren't celebrated or seen by society and the stories of
individual cop-outs and burn-outs is probably endless.

I would say that those that stayed closest to the biological values - the
back to nature philosophies - are the last ones to be impugned with losing
their moral path.  Good God man, what do you think their moral path was?  To
land a sitcom deal?



> [Platt]
> Yet elsewhere Pirsig described Nazism as anti-intellectual. But, then again
> he
> says American intellectuals really screwed up:
>
>
Well over there somewhere in threadland, it was pointed out that
anti-intellectualism is an intellectualism.  It makes one pause to consider
- intellectualism is the emphasis on intellect - treating intellect as if it
was the source of values, negative OR positive.

In the same way that puritanism and hedonism are two sides of the same coin
-  They both posit worldly pleasures as of foundational (metaphysical)
importance, one in affirmation, the other denial -  so do intellectualism
and anti-intellectualism make the same root mistake.



[Arlo]
> "Anti-intellectualism" is the view that social patterns should dominate
> intellectual patterns. This is not to say that all critiques of particular
> intellectual patterns are "anti-intellectual".
>
>

Well... "while maintaining social and biological quality, kill all
intellect" sounds sorta anti-intellectual, you'll have to admit.

I think there are lots of people who drop out of society to get back to
biology, and they do this for intellectual reasoning on how crummy the
society is.

Hierarchical metaphysics don't compute!

one - two - three- four, static systems are a bore!


>
> [Arlo]
> Of course it can. And I would argue that "intellect" has a much greater
> built-in "fallacy meter" than social patterns.



Whew, you can say that again.  It's almost the defining characteristic of
intellect, when you think about it.  Society's fallacy meter is oblivious.
All it can do is take polls.  Everybody who thinks I'm wrong, raise your
hand.




> My point is that the solution is, ultimately, transcendence, not subversion
> to
> the rule of social patterns.
>
>

I think the only solutions is social quality, intellectual quality and
biological quality, all in harmony.


With rocks in charge.
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