[MD] Problems with Intellectual control of Society

[Joseph Maurer]

On 10/5/09 4:41 PM, "Todd A. Carter" <tcarter at activelinkarts.com> wrote:

This appears to be what RMP walked away from in chapter 13 of Lila.  I
believe that this analysis will allow us to generalize from many specific
examples and possibly shed some light on the levels and the morality
between.
 
My only guess for why he left that pursuit was that he had more to say
(obviously) than what would be delivered by exhaustively analyzing each
example.  However, for us who are stuck in our static lives, it may be
illustrative to see how a simple example, like "What is the MOQ morality
surrounding capital punishment?" gets worked out.
 
Todd
 
Hi Todd and all,

Pirsig uses ³dynamic² in two ways.  In one way ³dynamic² is undefined DQ/SQ.
The second way in Chapter 13 he says:  ³In general given a choice of two
courses to follow and all other things being equal, that choice which is
more Dynamic, that is, at a higher level of evolution is more moral.²

Imho ³Dynamic², the undefined, is equated to evolution.  How, since it is
undefined, can it be understood as being in a particular level of evolution?
So you can say yes or no to DQ?  That is not my understanding of evolution.
At the sentient level, there is inorganic DQ, Organic 1 DQ, (Organic 2 DQ
evolution through cell fertilization), social DQ, intellectual DQ, (higher
social DQ), (higher intellectual DQ)!  (The last two are evolution in only
awareness which require a special discipline.  MOQ Discuss!) Not all people
die as equals, there¹s work to do.

I would be interested to hear your take on population control through
capital punishment and birth control.  I have no clear cut understanding of
the metaphysics of either one.

Joe  


> This appears to be what RMP walked away from in chapter 13 of Lila.  I
> believe that this analysis will allow us to generalize from many specific
> examples and possibly shed some light on the levels and the morality
> between.
> 
> My only guess for why he left that pursuit was that he had more to say
> (obviously) than what would be delivered by exhaustively analyzing each
> example.  However, for us who are stuck in our static lives, it may be
> illustrative to see how a simple example, like "What is the MOQ morality
> surrounding capital punishment?" gets worked out.
> 
> Todd
> 
> <snip>
> Now, I'm a positive guy.  I do believe there is a better way AND I believe
> that way does involve analysis of the differing levels of intellect and
> society, but not looking a which is higher than the other.  Nope, I believe
> the proper Quality analysis is using the analysis of the different levels to
> bring about harmony between the two in the service of  a higher good
> overall.   But if one insists upon simplistic hierarchical analysis....
>  
> well, you just won't get it to work.  That's all.
>  
> 
> Hi John and all,
> 
> I recently watched the movie THELMA AND LOUISE on television.  I was
> dumbfounded at the change in the actresses at the end of the movie.  It
> seemed they were not acting but expressing a truth.
> 
> I disagree with your conclusion.  There has to be a better way!  What you
> see is what you get.
> 
> Joe   
> 
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