[MD] Problems with Intellectual control of Society

[MarshaV]

Greetings,

Where are the intellectuals these days and who controls them.  Universities
tend to be liberal, the think tanks tend to be conservative, or is that too
much a generality?  Is the Corporate Complex, WallStreet and the Military
Complex footing the bill for all?  Is there anywhere an idea can thrive on
goodness?  How exactly would you define goodness?

Anybody been watching Mad Men?  


Marsha  




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Andre, Platt,
The current economic collapse is a good illustration of the failure of
intellect to inform social evolution.


Actually tho, Marx explained all this a long time ago...

Pirsig used western Capitalism to illustrate the success of a relatively
more dynamic system.  However, once THAT system becomes fixed, static and
unchanging, it evolves according to natural evolutionary outworking of its
premises till it reaches a stage of development that is untenable.  It might
have been relatively good, and even the best at one certain time.  But when
it becomes THE static good, disaster looms.


The MoQ perspective shows that the problem comes in when value become
statically fixated.

It has caused huge problems requiring huge interventions. Governments around
> the globe have done so and are still doing it because it ain't over yet.
> Should governments have done nothing, as you seem to advocate...and let
> everything go down the drain?
> The social consequences would have been catastrophic and we would have
been
> back at the biological level: the law of the jungle.
>


This is what is widely  feared, but I don't see it.   The actual conditions
of life as we experience them are much more fundamental than the big
computers keeping score of finances can impinge upon.  Power on high would
have been lost (good!)  and actual useful work would have been more highly
valued in relation (another good)  and more natural and fundamental values
would have replaced the artificial values imposed/promoted by the govt/media
complex.


> Andre:
> Pirsig endorses free enterprise only because it is more dynamic...and
> mindless. I do not think he endorses the latter. And, eventhough he has
> claimed that capitalism/ free enterprise has made everybody richer, I feel
> this is an exaggeration and not quite in line with the data which states
> that at present there are one billion people (!) going hungry every day.
> And, let's not muck around,he still finds an intellectually guided society
> morally superior... and a capitalist/free market system is not
> intellectually guided.
>

I'd disagree that Pirsig would argue for an intellectually guided society.
 Wasn't that the defining characteristic of Communism?   Intellectual
control of society is not the solution and probably  the problem.  Hence
this thread.

 Intellect is objectivism and whenever objectivism solves a problem it
isolates its  factors away from the real world and gains power while losing
wisdom.
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