[MD] Problems with Intellectual control of Society

[plattholden at gmail.com]

On 8 Oct 2009 at 12:44, John Carl wrote:

> Platt,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:26 AM, <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good point, but I think a fixed system that promotes DQ, like capitalism
> > and the MOQ itself, is better able to avoid disaster Or, if disaster
> > occurs,
> > DQ systems are likely to lead to a quicker recovery than static S/0
> > intellect systems.
> >
> 
> 
> Platt, capitalism operates on the profit motive - that is a fixed static
> system of value whereby individual corporate entities care most about their
> own relative success - in a very competitively modeled framework.
> 
> By "competitively modeled" I mean the entire legal and regulatory matrix
> which evolves out of cut-throat competion and thus perpetuates it.
> 
> Perpetuates a system far beyond it's ability to be anything like "dynamic"
> ever again.
> 
> Thus, DQ is not being sought by capitalism.  I'd say by far the opposite.
>  Self interest is the avowed engine of capitalism and the self as a source
> of value is a false metaphysical premise to begin.
> 
> SOM, in case you've heard of it.

One look at history is all one needs to be convinced that capitalism 
(profit motive/competitiveness/self-interest) fosters innovation, the result 
of being open to the evolutionary force towards betterness of DQ. This is 
well explained in Lila, Chp. 17.  

> > You nailed it with the phrase, "govt/media complex" -- as great a danger
> > to a free society as a military/industrial complex.
> >
> Well, I owe that one to Savage - a fascinating guilty pleasure whereby I
> alternate between being fascinated and appalled.
> 
> But one could as well call it, as John Gatto did, the education-media
> complex.  When he attacked the modern American system of education, he also
> roped in the fact of how much tv a kid watches compared to classroom time.
> 
> But in this day and age, is not education simply an extension of the
> government?

Yes, and frightening, too. You saw on TV the kids singing the praises of 
Obama, hmm, hmm, hmmm? Remind you of anything, say, Germany 
circa 1933?
 
> An interesting time for me to be thinking about this stuff, my wife loaded
> Orwell's 1984 into I-Tunes to play while she peels apples and bakes pies....

Man you married well!
 
 
> > I consider these last two paragraphs full of wisdom. In fact, it is wise to
> > challenge intellect based on the S/O premise, as Pirsig has so ably
> > demonstrated and as you have done in this thread..
> >
> > Platt


> Woo-hoo!
> 
> 
> A "platt-a-boy".
> 
> I live for those things.

If so you should get a life. :-)