[MD] Problems with Intellectual control of Society

[markhsmit]

Hi Platt,

I have done some research on the similarities between the current regime
in the USA, and the elected party in Germany in the 30's (much of it talking
with my Dad, who was a teenager in Holland during the War).  The
similarities are interesting.  The Germans weren't stupid people back then,
and neither are we, now...

Cheers,
Willblake2

On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:55:15 PM, plattholden at gmail.com wrote:
From:   plattholden at gmail.com
Subject:    Re: [MD] Problems with Intellectual control of Society
Date:   October 8, 2009 1:55:15 PM PDT
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
On 8 Oct 2009 at 12:44, John Carl wrote:

> Platt,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:26 AM, <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good point, but I think a fixed system that promotes DQ, like capitalism
> > and the MOQ itself, is better able to avoid disaster Or, if disaster
> > occurs,
> > DQ systems are likely to lead to a quicker recovery than static S/0
> > intellect systems.
> >
> 
> 
> Platt, capitalism operates on the profit motive - that is a fixed static
> system of value whereby individual corporate entities care most about their
> own relative success - in a very competitively modeled framework.
> 
> By "competitively modeled" I mean the entire legal and regulatory matrix
> which evolves out of cut-throat competion and thus perpetuates it.
> 
> Perpetuates a system far beyond it's ability to be anything like "dynamic"
> ever again.
> 
> Thus, DQ is not being sought by capitalism. I'd say by far the opposite.
> Self interest is the avowed engine of capitalism and the self as a source
> of value is a false metaphysical premise to begin.
> 
> SOM, in case you've heard of it.

One look at history is all one needs to be convinced that capitalism 
(profit motive/competitiveness/self-interest) fosters innovation, the result 
of being open to the evolutionary force towards betterness of DQ. This is 
well explained in Lila, Chp. 17. 

> > You nailed it with the phrase, "govt/media complex" -- as great a danger
> > to a free society as a military/industrial complex.
> >
> Well, I owe that one to Savage - a fascinating guilty pleasure whereby I
> alternate between being fascinated and appalled.
> 
> But one could as well call it, as John Gatto did, the education-media
> complex. When he attacked the modern American system of education, he also
> roped in the fact of how much tv a kid watches compared to classroom time.
> 
> But in this day and age, is not education simply an extension of the
> government?

Yes, and frightening, too. You saw on TV the kids singing the praises of 
Obama, hmm, hmm, hmmm? Remind you of anything, say, Germany 
circa 1933?

> An interesting time for me to be thinking about this stuff, my wife loaded
> Orwell's 1984 into I-Tunes to play while she peels apples and bakes pies....

Man you married well!


> > I consider these last two paragraphs full of wisdom. In fact, it is wise to
> > challenge intellect based on the S/O premise, as Pirsig has so ably
> > demonstrated and as you have done in this thread..
> >
> > Platt


> Woo-hoo!
> 
> 
> A "platt-a-boy".
> 
> I live for those things.

If so you should get a life. :-)




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