[MD] Intellect Worship

Fri Oct 9 00:04:59 PDT 2009

Mark,

I am still reeling from ebits, qubits, quantum cryptography and quantum
teleportation, but I have on my agenda a course summarizing the history of
the relationship between philosophy and mathematics. (Oh my tiny skull!!!)
I may first need to take some time off; maybe long walks and reading some
Shakespeare.  How can I paint quantum weirdness?    

In my understanding grammer, math and logic represent the rules for
manipulating the objectified concepts in the Intellectual Level.

Marsha

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I suppose you are right John, Zen is mentioned somewhere...

If each level has independent rules and laws, then we are
speaking more of the independent circles of Kierkegaard,
Once a transition is made to the new circle, it does not 
relate to the other and operates independently.

So, I am interested in the intellectual level.  Without getting
too much into Wittgenstein (who I guess went from one
circle to another), and not belaboring the point of the impact
of language on philosophy, is language another aspect of 
dynamic Quality?

It is quite easy to be bewitched by intellect, and succumb
to its enchantment.  If one uses the philosophy of Wittgenstein
for language (or that for thought, by Kant), are these tools by
which one can understand the laws of the intellectual level.
Is there a scientific approach (since really the demarkation
between science and logic is a very grey area)?

If so, I was interested in the applications of mathematical
logic to Quality.  Math does not have the subjective language
component to it, but is very logical.  Areas such as symmetry
and group theory have direct analogies to MOQ, I believe.
Has any one discussed mathematical philosophy?
Wittgenstein became very scientific towards the end of his
life.

I am not saying that MOQ is based on math, just simply that
expressions in math can convey similar intuitive understanding
that logic does.  For example Quality = f(DQ, SQ), that is 
Quality is a function of dynamic and static quality.  If dynamic
quality is acting upon static quality, then we can apply
an equation that I brought up recently that is: Force equals
mass times acceleration, or Quality is equal to static quality
times dynamic quality.  Is the relationship multiplicative?
Can we say that an aspect of Quality is the number of 
interacting intellects and the rate of interaction?

Also, then it would be possible to determine if dynamic
quality is changing in time, that is the derivative of
dynamic quality.  Does dynamic quality go in spurts or
cycles the same way that evolution describes other sciences?

Oh, to many questions.  My background is in science so 
perhaps I am seeking understanding in the wrong way.

Cheers,
Willblake2

On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:10:47 AM, "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
From:   "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: [MD] Intellect Worship
Date:   October 8, 2009 9:10:47 AM PDT
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM, markhsmit <markhsmit at aol.com> wrote:
So a
>
> fundamental aspect of Quality is communication (I'm sure this is
> all old stuff to you guys). The more things interact through
> dynamic quality, the more they evolve. So is it communication
> or some undefinable incomprehensible fuzzy thing?
>

Somebody recently pointed out (Steve?) that while each level of existence
has relatively independent rules and laws, the interactions between levels,
called codes, are their own special things. I'd say the evolution of
communication definitely follows this model - the artful code of interaction
between intellect and society.

But the fundamental ability of the brain remains the same, so
> are the ideas new? Has all this been thought of before?
> I believe so. Quality seems to have incorporated Taoism
> (or Buddhism) with a splash of evolution and systems theory.
> I think this is great, because it modernizes existing Eastern
> knowledge, and allows us to relate to it. My question is why
> does not MOQ reference some of these well established
> philosophies, rather than trying to reinvent the wheel?
>
>
What? Dude, the name of the book that started it all was ZEN and the art of
moto maintenance. You don't think Pirsig referenced the "well established
philosophies" throughout that book? And Lila? Think again.

Think again. I like that. That's the key to keeping intellect dynamic -
thinking again.

> I suppose increased communication is being opposed by
> the amount of time we have to think. There is no time to
> sit in a cave and contemplate. Too much to read, not
> enough time.
>
> Gotta go watch something on TV.

oh plbbbttt. Just do me a favor - don't watch anything "educational"
That's the worst use of tv, to transmit intellectual values through a
social medium. IMMORAL.

It's ok to watch dancing with the stars or Porn, it's NOT ok to watch the
history channel or discovery.

;)
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