[MD] the Value of Think Again

[MarshaV]

Hello John,

You suggested to think again the 'Judeo-Christian understanding of man', and
I suggested you to think again the Judeo-Christianity's misogynistic
attitude towards women.  I am not a Buddhist nor a member of any religion, I
am an atheist: Atheists are people who believe that god or gods (or other
supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, myths and legends or who
believe that these concepts are not meaningful. 
 

"The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely dropped
as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and Dynamic
freedom. The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is anti-theistic."
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)

http://robertpirsig.org/Copleston.htm  

   

Marsha



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
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Subject: Re: [MD] the Value of Think Again

Well I don't intend on taking the role of Christian Apologist, that's for
sure.
I will point out to you, that if you think Judeo-Christian culture is
misogynistic, then you should try living in Buddhist Asia for a while and
see how it compares.

Really, the whole question of "women's rights" only evolves with enough
leisure time to nurture such concerns.  Before now, men and women were too
concerned about survival  to worry about equality.


On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:58 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> Hi John
>
> You did say Judeo-Christian, and the Old Testament also is chocked full of
> misogynistic garbage.  I hope were not going to travel down that theist
> track again.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:57 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] the Value of Think Again
>
> Marsha,
> yes, I have considered the J-C understanding of women, most of the problem
> coming from that greeky paul, who is the only guy I know in the whole
bible
> who said women should shut up and back off.
>
> He's also the guy that didn't advocate having a wife, even tho all the
> other
> apostles did.  Then you get the whole patriarchical roman empire muddying
> the waters and you have today, a system which is stupid and incomplete.
>
> I agree.
>
> I think women are very important.  Where would I get my pie and my babies
> if
> it weren't for women?  So get pregant and back into the kitchen and
realize
> your own fundamental value - just kidding - but honestly,  my own
> particular
> introduction to the christian indoctrination was very slanted in this
> regard
> because the leader and prophet of the whole organization was a woman.
>
> So a lot of theological defensiveness was developed over the years and
> absorbed by me on YOUR side on this question.  The whole raison d'etre of
> SDAism is overthrow of Romish ideas like Sunday observance and spiritually
> inherent patriarchy, natural immortality of a "soul" and doctrines of
> original sin and other such pagan ideas.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:27 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Have you considered the Judeo-Christian understanding of women?  There's
> > where you might think again.
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:17 PM
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: [MD] the Value of Think Again
> >
> > >From the point of view of the theory of evolution, mankind is only one
> > species among thousands which have their place within the field of life
> on
> > earth. The fact that people took the theory of evolution as an enemy of
> > religion shows only how rigidly they understood the idea of God. But the
> > same may be said of scientist and others who now comfortably accept that
> > the
> > theory of evolution has disproved the Judeo-Christian understanding of
> man.
> > As we shall see, this only shows how rigidly they have understood
nature.
> >
> > Jacob Needleman, explicating the need to "think again".
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