[MD] the Value of Think Again

Sat Oct 10 18:02:38 PDT 2009

Hi Fernando,

That is interesting, and I believe you are being sincere.

I might suggest, that if you are translating incoming personal
information, and translating it into thoughts, that you are
operating with a 14.4 kbps modem rather than on broadband.

To be translating it into language (words) is the equivalent of listening
on the telephone to someone describing a movie as he is
watching it.  Sure you get basic plot, and maybe some scenery,
but that seems inadequate.  Wouldn't it be better to be receiving 
the whole experience that the other person is getting from the movie
via telephone?

When we are in active thought, a variety of centers of the cerebral
cortex are involved (as determined by PET and other techniques).
The brain is involved in numerous thoughts all at the same time.  
Because we are task oriented for survival, we tend to focus on one
of those thoughts at a time.  This is analogous to being in a crowded
room and being able to focus on one conversation above all others,
or reading a book in a moving car and not being distracted by
the scenery.  That is why it possible to switch thoughts, it is
all just a matter of focusing on another thought that is already
occurring. 

What I think we do, is translate thoughts into words for the purposes
of communication.  We are in fact talking to ourselves when we do that.
That doesn't mean that there are not many other thoughts going on
at the same time that are feeding into that translation.  For example,
when one is in a logical conversation, it is possible to think about
numerous aspects of what was said and what to say, all at the same
time as talking.  These thoughts have not been translated into words
yet, but are all feeding into the focus for communication.  These thoughts
are therefore not language, or maybe even object based, but more
like sensations (or feelings as I call them, and I don't mean this
touchy-feelly fuzzy stuff).  It is the amalgamation of all those pictures
that are happening that then results in communicative thought.

That is what is transmitted by telepathy, the whole thing.  Logically,
therefore, it must follow that to understand this type of 
communication, it must be understood as a picture or sensation,
or feeling.  There is no doubt that people can feel the danger of
a loved one at a distance.  When two people are thinking
about the same thing, like calling each other, those feelings
co-arise, as though a third party initiates them.  There is no
third party, but these thoughts are overlapping (as quantum
theory states).  There is no time involved in the communication,
because there is no distance between these thoughts (which
in this example are feelings of a need to communicate).
It is possible, that thoughts do not singly originate in a single 
brain (not in that paranoid sense, but in a loving sense).

It is possible to experience the numerous thoughts all at the
same time by the simple technique of  meditation 
(and I am not saying anything new with any of this).  If for
example one focusses on the breath, and does not become
attached to ones thoughts, one can feel all the different 
thoughts going on, all at once.  Again, these thoughts are
not necessarily linear and translated, but more like feelings.

The function of the cortex is to translate these thoughts into
language to communicate the feeling or picture.  It organizes
which feelings are more important for the situation.  Thus we
consider the intellect as a massive filter, or organizing structure,
which is involved in this translation.  True being is much deeper.

Anyway, this is just my opinion.

Cheers,
Willblake2

On Oct 8, 2009, at 11:28:50 PM, fernandocarlosfarah at mls.com.br wrote:
From:   fernandocarlosfarah at mls.com.br
Subject:    Re: [MD] the Value of Think Again
Date:   October 8, 2009 11:28:50 PM PDT
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
I do have the power of telepathy, but still think in those poor little words
(fortunatelly!). i don't believe it's the answer to your prayers...

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> I agree with you John.  While religion and science walk hand in hand
> as part of the intellect, they do speak from different places.  When one
> applies the logic of science to true belief, of course it doesn't 
> fit.  While 
> Spiritual thought often tries to convey understanding using logic
> it is really the wrong language.  This would of course be solved by
> telepathy, where words are not needed, only feelings are conveyed.
> Since, ultimately, that is all words do, convey a feeling from one to
> another, in rather a primitive way I might add.  Thus all the arguments in
> philosophy.  While telepathy exists, we do not know how to intentionally
> use it.
>
> One could say that the believer and the scientist operate by 
> independent rules and laws, kind of like the levels of Quality.
>
> Willblake2
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:16:39 AM, "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> Subject: [MD] the Value of Think Again
> Date: October 8, 2009 9:16:39 AM PDT
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> From the point of view of the theory of evolution, mankind is only one
> species among thousands which have their place within the field of life on
> earth. The fact that people took the theory of evolution as an enemy of
> religion shows only how rigidly they understood the idea of God. But the
> same may be said of scientist and others who now comfortably accept that the
> theory of evolution has disproved the Judeo-Christian understanding of man.
> As we shall see, this only shows how rigidly they have understood nature.
>
> Jacob Needleman, explicating the need to "think again".
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