[MD] Problems with Intellectual control of Society

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On 11 Oct 2009 at 13:36, Andre Broersen wrote:

> Graig to [Ham]
> 
> > How does capitalism promote DQ?
> > What is the difference between a "static
> > good" and a "dynamic good"?
> 
> Andre:
> The biggest fallacy around at present is the notion that capitalism promotes
> DQ. What a load of rubbish! Again it is arse-about reasoning. Capitalism
> 'emerged' from DQ.

Everything "emerged" from DQ. 

 
> Also, there is nothing inherently 'good' about DQ. DQ is. It is the
> continuing stimulus our environment 'puts upon us' to act. What 'we' do with
> this is up to us. It is considered 'good' because goodness promotes harmony,
> beauty i.e high quality patterns. It can also manifest itself as low
> quality...these patterns usually do not last as they are not conducive to
> the promotion of harmony and beauty.

Agree

 
> The capitalist system may work (for some) but you cannot call it harmonious
> or beautiful as its 'engine' is the promotion of opposites: i.e have and
> have nots, rich/poor, boss/worker. construction/ destruction In other words
> a system based on inequality. Without inequality the system would not work.
> It is a political/economic system of give and take. A social pattern of
> value. However, as Pirsig points out, it is also mindless, it feeds only
> upon itself, I liken its workings to Pirsig's example of the Giant. This
> system is what drives/ destroys and (sometimes) renews inorganic, organic
> and social PoV's.

Beauty and harmony are not possible without inequality of its elements.

 
> Pirsig simply says that it has value but there is an intellectual level
> above this level which is morally superior. Within the MoQ the 'good' is
> restored to its rightful place and we should use (our) intellect to guide
> our abstractions and extractions from DQ back towards this harmony and
> beauty. Not away from it.

But intellect has proven it's inability to become God and create heaven 
on earth. In fact just the opposite. When given control of society It has 
created hell. 

 
> DQ belongs to no one. We are of it all.

Exactly why intellect cannot direct it. 

Platt