[MD] Problems with Intellectual control of Society

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For Andre 

Oct. 11  

Bodvar to John and Platt:
> > Regarding emotions as biology I quibble with Pirsig too. The levels
> > raise the former's patterns to a higher value plane, thus the biological
> > level (its purpose compressed into  "survival") surely has a lot of
> > survival techniques.

Andre comments:
> How's about considering 'emotions' as 'inner feelings'? As close to the
> 'intellect level' as you can get it...and talking of a survival
> technique!!! Brilliant!. And so immediately destructive (the intellect I
> mean).....

You really "take off", but I simply can't understand all this outlandish 
notions of the levels. "Inner feelings" as contrasted to "outer feelings"! 
What has this arch-S/O division to do with the MOQ? Please see my 
"part 2" of 9 Oct. (if you have received it?) 

The social and intellectual levels aren't any more mental than the 
inorganic and biological levels are corporeal. This (Pirsig's) way of 
subsuming SOM  is a disaster because it sounds as if the 
subject/object (in the mental/corporeal form) is valid and can be 
superimposed on MOQ's static level (again see my "part 2" post. . 

> ..... Nothing but funeral processions...as Silvia remarked (from an
> emotional point of view).

This is ZAMM where Phaedrus "target" was Rationality and he used 
every chance to debunk it, this Silvia's remark one such. (NB. 
Rationality=the intellectual level is still MOQ's "target")       

> This is the 'romantic' side of intellect which was never forgotten.
> Transmitted through the generations. Nothing purely biological or
> social about this. This is a rational response to an irrational
> situation. 

You probably mean the "subjective" face of the intellectual "coin" ? But 
this rear face is as futile, disappointing, dependent on the other as the 
front, objective, one. Only from the MOQ  the true picture is revealed, 
SOM is MOQ's  4th. level: the said  S/O-sided coin. However seen 
from either of intellect's faces the other has it upside-down. One has to 
leave SOM to see the Q-context like one has to leave earth to see it as 
a globe.       

Bodvar