[MD] irony and socrates

[MarshaV]

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[Marsha replied to Steve:] 
> Love, good, and infinity can be objectified and manipulated; that is
> exactly what you did in your paragraphs below. The Intellect Level is
> comprised of patterns that represent the process of objectifying and
> manipulating abstract symbols:  "Objectification is the process by
> which abstract concepts are treated as of they were concrete things or
> physical objects.  In this sense the term is synonym to reification." 

Bo:
That intellect "objectify" is for sure, read ZAMM on how SOM emerged 
, that's the most splendid and convincing description of Intellect's 
mission, namely to "debunk" Social value by - first  - inventing "TRUTH 
(objectivity) and then the search for what is TRUE and what only looks 
true to us (subjectively) This is what the intellectual level have been all 
about since its emergence  with the Greek culture.  .  

I have a sinking feeling  about abstract (vs. concrete) and concepts 
(vs. what they conceptualize) these dualisms all belong to intellect's 
own S/Os repertoire and intellect cannot be outlined  from within. It 
must be seen from the MOQ and from there it is SOM - that simple

Marsha:
We are intellectualizing, and therefore objectification and manipulation
part of the process.  I believe the MoQ is an intellectual static pattern of
value, and chocked full of objectified symbols.  In my investigation, the
Quality presented in the MoQ is unpatterned experience and patterned
experience.  Patterned experience (sq or static patterns of value) is
conceptually constructed, ever-changing, relative and interrelated.
Unpatterned experience (DQ) is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.
Without expanding on my definition, is there something you do not agree
with?   





Marsha











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