[MD] irony and socrates

[skutvik at online.no]

For Ron

12 Oct.

Ian to Bo:
> > Some hope : You suggested. "Every single intellectual pattern is about
> > debunking the social [PoV's]." Nice idea. A hierarchical relationship of
> > Intellect over Social - which is where we started. But, so many
> > questions. Are all social PoV's in need of debunking ? Are all
> > intellectual PoV's free of social prejudices ? How can we tell a good /
> > intellectual PoV from an inferior / social PoV ? (How do we do any of
> > that if intellect = SOM ?) 

Ron:
> Great questions Ian, How IS any of that done if intellect equals SOM.
> SOM equalling intellect is already the universaly agreed apon
> assumption. 

Yes I know that you all regard SOM as ONE intellectual pattern, but 
the point is that for the MOQ to make sense its intellectual level has to 
be SOM. Regrettably I don't take notes of all indications of this 
interpretation in Pirsig's writings, but the latest was 

    Pirsig in LILA: "There is the materialist school that says reality 
    is all matter, which creates mind. There is the idealist school 
    that says it is all mind, which creates matter [....]  It is the 
    intellectual framework with which one deals with the data that 
    is at fault. The fault is within subject-object metaphysics itself.  

"It is the intellectual framework with which one deals with the data that 
is at fault. The fault is within subject-object metaphysics itself.  

I can of course not force you don't see the obvious, intellect's tentacles 
are tough and the toughest one is the term "intellect" that indicates 
mental and - consequently - intellectual patterns as ideas or thoughts - 
of which the MOQ is one - but as said: The subject/object distinction 
(in all its forms) is abolished, "intellectual patterns" aren't mental 
patterns but the value of the MENTAL/CORPOREAL distinction.           

But now I understand that you neither care about Pirsig's writings nor 
my interpretations of these writings. So good-bye to you.  

Bodvar