[MD] irony and socrates

[X Acto]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:55 PM,  <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> For Ron
>
> 12 Oct.
>
> Ian to Bo:
>> > Some hope : You suggested. "Every single intellectual pattern is about
>> > debunking the social [PoV's]." Nice idea. A hierarchical relationship of
>> > Intellect over Social - which is where we started. But, so many
>> > questions. Are all social PoV's in need of debunking ? Are all
>> > intellectual PoV's free of social prejudices ? How can we tell a good /
>> > intellectual PoV from an inferior / social PoV ? (How do we do any of
>> > that if intellect = SOM ?)
>
> Ron:
>> Great questions Ian, How IS any of that done if intellect equals SOM.
>> SOM equalling intellect is already the universaly agreed apon
>> assumption.

>Bo:
> Yes I know that you all regard SOM as ONE intellectual pattern, but
> the point is that for the MOQ to make sense its intellectual level has to
> be SOM. Regrettably I don't take notes of all indications of this
> interpretation in Pirsig's writings, but the latest was

Ron:
It only makes sense from an SOM point of view, one that takes
itself AS intellect. 

Bo quotes Pirsig:
>
> "It is the intellectual framework with which one deals with the data that
> is at fault. The fault is within subject-object metaphysics itself.
>
Bo:
> I can of course not force you don't see the obvious, intellect's tentacles
> are tough and the toughest one is the term "intellect" that indicates
> mental and - consequently - intellectual patterns as ideas or thoughts -
> of which the MOQ is one - but as said: The subject/object distinction
> (in all its forms) is abolished, "intellectual patterns" aren't mental
> patterns but the value of the MENTAL/CORPOREAL distinction.

Ron:
Here is where you get caught up in the testicals, Pirsig states Intellectual patterns
are experience. Not the value of one particular pattern ABOUT experience.

Bo's  whaaaambulance begins to sound:
> But now I understand that you neither care about Pirsig's writings nor
> my interpretations of these writings. So good-bye to you.
>
Ron:
Puuuhlease.. gosh,   cry it out and we'll talk later when you are feeling better.