[MD] irony and socrates

[MarshaV]

Aahhh, but the Copenhagen Interpretation I love.  Within paradox and
uncertainty is my kind of environment. To skip all the rationalizations and
projections and move directly to "I don't know" is my kind of hero.  





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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of MarshaV
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [MD] irony and socrates


Ian,

"In Kurt Vonnegut’s novel “Sirens of Titan,” all of human history turns out
to be reduced to delivering a piece of metal roughly the size and shape of a
beer-can opener to an alien marooned on Saturn’s moon so he can repair his
spaceship and go home."  Sounds about right to me.   

Seriously, somewhere along the way, I heard that the Higgs boson was
theorized to get rid of some nasty infinity-answers in important equations.
-  But it works...    

Hope the planet doesn't go TILT anytime soon.  

Do you remember in the movie 'American Beauty' when the young guy was seeing
the beauty in the decaying dead bird.  That is similar to my attraction for
QM.


Marsha  





-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ian Glendinning
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [MD] irony and socrates

These guys are teasing too Marsha ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=2&em

“a funny thing that could make us to believe in the theory"

Good science is mostly good jokes, like the LHC itself.

Regards
Ian

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:17 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> Ian,
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> I was teasing.  In a QM lecture the prof told of how the label Qubit was
> first suggested as a joke.
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> I understand the problem, but still think a Quantity Level would separate
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> subject/object reality from a Quality point-of-view and make understanding
> the difference obvious.  Are dualistic s/o type of thinking the same as
SOM?
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ian
Glendinning
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:10 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] irony and socrates
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> Hi Marsha,
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> In that sense Bo and I are entirely in agreement - I've suggested that
> to him before too.
> (We still have to name this "level" and organize it relative to the
> others - as "part of" the MoQ.)
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> Quality, Zoo and Qubit already exist as words, names for things.
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> The thing we are looking for a name for is
> "non-irrational decision-making that takes patterns of value into account"
> Quintellect I suggested. (Wisdom is probably a perfectly good existing
word
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> (For me, Qubit is a good alternative word for DQ - I say for me,
> because I have an informational or fundamentally epistemic view of
> metaphysics or even ontology.)
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> Regards
> Ian
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> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:56 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>> Ian,
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>> Like Qubit?  Or how about a Quality zoo?
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>> I really think Bo is correct suggesting that a Quality-Level would do
much
>> to untangle the SOM/MoQ point-of-view confusion.
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>> Marsha
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>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ian
> Glendinning
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:52 AM
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] irony and socrates
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>> Bo suggests we
>> ""use" intellect's (S/O) while remembering MOQ's"
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>> Sure Bo.
>> All I'm suggesting is we give that idea a name ... like
>> MoQish-Intellect or "quintellect" maybe ... to remind us (and people
>> who've never had this discussion) that whilst we "named the object"
>> (as language appears to do) it's more than an intellect constrained by
>> SOMist objectivity.
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>> Sometimes I think Doug Renselle was on the right lines - inventing a
>> new language.
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>> Regards
>> Ian
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>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:31 AM,  <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
>>> Marsha, All
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