[MD] Marsha's (s)OL

[MarshaV]

I just didn't want to hear grief about a stroke or coma, or any other such
thing.  



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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
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Perhaps I misunderstand "unpatterened" as random - which doesn't exist in
reality, rather than "pre-patterned" which seems to me what you mean.
 Unpatterned = that which has not YET been assigned a pattern.

Is there an aspect of reality that is "unpatternable"?  There is more to the
discussion I wish to think upon, considering the Biocentric/Quantum theory
of the connection between mind/cosmos.

I will view the video entire this evening when I get back from my trimming
job.  Good paying work altho  one's fingers tend to get sticky..

Freak out Marsha?  Moi?




On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:52 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> John,
>
> There is unpatterned experience.  It doesn't have to be as extreme as Ms.
> Bolte-Taylor's experience, but one can have experience without patterned
> projections.  At this point, I am only trying to explain that there is
> unpatterned experience.  I'm quite sure meditation can get you to a much,
> much gentler version of such an experience.
>
>
>
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_ins
>
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oke_of_ins%0Aight.html>
>
>
> Let's see how we do with going this far.  Don't freak out...
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
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>
> Ok, I'm not speedy and quick, but slowly I get there.  It's
head-snappingly
> complicated to wrap one's brain around  objectification vs.
> conceptualization...
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:00 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> > Steve,
> >
> > I am not extending the idea of "object" to include all sorts of
patterns.
> > Objectification is a process: "Objectification is the process by which
an
> > abstract concept is treated as if it is a concrete thing or physical
> > object.
> >
>
>
> Ok, so if I was treating an abstract concept AS an abstract concept and
NOT
> as a concrete thing or a physical object, then I'm not guilty of
> objectifying or reifying, right?   Abstract concepts are intellectually
> created and manipulated and "wrong" only when given false physicality.
>
>
> In this sense the term is synonym to reification." (Wikipedia)  There are
> no
> > independent objects, things-in-themselves, in the MoQ.  I have never
said
> I
> > supported Bo's SOL, I do agree with Bo that the Intellectual Level is
the
> > subject/object level.  I agree with Bo that there should be a Quality
> Level
> > above the Intellectual Level that represents unpatterned experience (DQ)
> > and
> > patterned experience (sq (static patterns of value)).
> >
>
>
> And in my quest for knowledge, I ask, What does unpatterned experience
look
> like?  How do you define it?
>
> It almost seems to me a phlogoston-like entity created for the logical
> necessity of "patterned experience"... So you've got some "thing" to
> pattern
> things out of.
>
> I've come to think of DQ as a "patterning force" which puts the necessary
> positive spin on the world which makes it go 'round.  Love makes the world
> go 'round.  If Quality generates "all of it, every single bit", then none
> of
> reality is unpatterned.  You just haven't gotten 'round to patterning it
> yet.
>
> See how I am?  It's why for me its simpler just to say, Reality is
> Experience.
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