[MD] irony and socrates

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi "old" John and belated congratulations

16 Oct. u wrote:

> Bo,
> I'm sure Hitler would have agreed with you on this one:

> > Yes, intellect is the highest static level and thus its patterns are
> > "better" than any social pattern - that's MOQ dogma. And finally the
> > SOL point is clear: All intellectual patterns are S/O.

Hitler was the least "intellectual" conceivable, the nazi movement was 
social value's last stand  in the Western hemisphere according to 
Pirsig in LILA something I agree totally with.     

> But I don't. Intellect  is like the girl with the curl, right in the
> middle of her forehead (third eye!) When it is good, it is very very
> good. When it is bad it is horrid. 

Kind of agreement. While top notch (without any level above) all 
levels were good as a restrictions on their parents level, but like the 
sorcerer apprentice they did not know how/when to the stop, intellect 
no exception. I regard communism as intellect's over-rationalizing 
that resulted in worse atrocities than the social level - even in its "last 
stand" - would perform. The Soviet regime killed far more Russians 
than the war did, and Pol Pot's schemes killed more Cambodians - 
relatively - than the Holocaust in Germany. It goes without saying that 
the MOQ is a restriction on intellect       

> Intellect that uses the objective tools of manipulated logic 

Right even if I would say that intellect IS the value of objective-over-
subjective approach. "Using the objective tools" sounds as a 
subjective intellect sits over there manipulating objective tools. The 
subject is part of intellect's repertoire.  

> in order to promote the egocentric self against the good of the whole
> is as close to a definition of evil as I can imagine. 

Kind of agreement. Society's relentless promotion of "the common 
cause" needed to be checked by intellect's "individual freedom", but - 
as said - without any checking of this (until the MOQ) created its own 
evil  

> When a tiger uses his claws and fangs to kill and eat a man he is doing
> nothing evil. 

Sure, the animal kingdom is a-moral seen from the SOM. In the MOQ 
however it's the second moral level, and this  - plus the inorganic 
being first moral level and SOM the 4th.-  is what sets  the MOQ apart 
from any philosophical or metaphysical systems before it.      

>  When a man uses his scientific knowledge on wiping tigers and bears
> off the face of the planet, he is doing evil. 

Right, a rampant intellect is the worst evil. What the MOQ "arrests"

> The question is, why would someone spend so much time and energy
> promoting the evolution of evil? 

If you hint to my saying that intellect is the highest static good, the 
MOQ tenet of this being subordinate to the overall DQ/SQ 
constellation is most important.

Bodvar