[MD] Problems with Intellectual control of Society

[markhsmit]

No Problem Platt,

It's good to keep an eye out for those that wish
to control.  My European history is kind of weak
even though it was drilled into me the three years
I lived in Holland during elementary school.

It is interesting the way in which Wikipedia is being
used to control information.  It is often the first hit
on a google search.  This site is edited by a few people.
For example the reference that Arlo sent me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism
seemed highly slanted towards the current
administration.  So long as we know this is
happening, we may have a chance.  It's those
that do not know this is happening that I worry
about.

Just because I'm paranoid does not mean that
someone is not trying to control me.

Willblake2

On Oct 16, 2009, at 6:00:49 AM, plattholden at gmail.com wrote:
From:   plattholden at gmail.com
Subject:    Re: [MD] Problems with Intellectual control of Society
Date:   October 16, 2009 6:00:49 AM PDT
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Hi Willblake,

Many thanks for your account of father's remembrances of the rise of 
Nazism. The parallels with what is happening here in the U.S. since the 
assumption of power by the radical left is scary to say the least. It's well 
to remember that the welfare state also began in Germany under 
Bismarck in the late 1800's.

Thanks again,
Platt 


On 14 Oct 2009 at 20:26, markhsmit wrote:

> Hi Platt,
> 
> After your email, I went to talk to my father some more about the subject.
> He graduated from high-school in Holland at the beginning of the war,
> and was part of dinner conversations before that.
> 
> What interested me was how could a nation of intellectual people
> allow someone to gain such power that he could rule by decree.  We
> often reference German thinkers in this forum, and they are not stupid.
> Germany was a republic at the time, the emperor had fled in 1918.
> 
> I was also interested to project if such a thing could happen in the US.
> I am not talking about the aggressive war, but the complete control.
> It is all based on gaining control.
> 
> So while a lot of similarities can be seen with the present day, just as 
> many, or more, differences can be noted.  And indeed the ability to
> draw conclusions is way beyond my abilities.  
> 
> The NSP gained power in a round about way; this is all documented in a variety
> (too many) books on the subject.  I read the rise and the fall of the third reich many
> years ago, and it is still my favorite.  The head of the NSP was a tax cheat during
> the '20s, but a very persuasive speaker.
> 
> Once they gained power, they immediately began to dole out food and 
> financial support to their supporters.  They wanted to keep the populace happy.
> A fire in the government building was blamed on the communists, and stricter
> laws were put in place to control this perceived danger.  If, for example, some
> serious uprising was blamed on right wing people in the US, I'm sure 
> similar laws would be put in place to maintain control and safety.
> 
> The NSP quickly got control of the press.  Those newspapers that did
> not follow the line were made to be outcasts, and subscriptions fell.  The
> largest newspaper that had been around for centuries was an early
> casualty.  I can envision similarities with the way the press is being 
> treated today (Fox News?).  The government also introduced a
> number of television transmitter, and could broadcast at will.
> Currently, it seems that any communication that disagrees with our
> present government is put under pressure, such as Humana, and
> Pricewaterhousecoopers.
> 
> Separate schools were put up that indoctrinated the youth.  Tuition was 
> paid for, and students were selected to go to those schools.  Because 
> of the finances of such schools this was a privilege.  The NSP did
> not control who went to school, but I'm sure if they gained control of
> the financial funding of students who needed loans, they could have 
> picked and chosen which students should be funded.  Funding
> of students by a political system is dangerous indeed, seems to
> be happening here.
> 
> It turns out that the university professors were in favor of the
> NSP partly because the path the country was taking fit in
> well with their philosophy of what should happen.  The fact
> that their theories and predictions were coming true, made them
> feel righteous.  The government also doled out the money.
> 
> Doctors also seemed to like the new regime, and lots of new
> research was being funded based on an erroneous and
> self-serving interpretation of Darwinism.
> 
> The NSP obviously used race as a way of getting control.  They
> also use social status as a way for creating enemy
> combatants.
> 
> The NSP created an organization which would help them gain
> power and retain it, it was called the SA.  This later fell into
> disrepute due to corruption and violence and was disbanded.
> I believe an organization like this is found in the US.
> 
> 
> The leader of the NSP appointed a number of ministers
> (or Reichskommisars) who were in charge of certain
> sectors and would only report to the leader.  Many of
> these people were of dubious repute, but they were
> faithful since they liked the title of czar.
> 
> The NSP gained control of the banks by nominating one
> person who became in charge of all financial movements,
> such as the currency exchange rate.
> 
> The government had control over the labor unions,
> and would present propaganda on how well they
> were doing.  From conversation with my Dad, it seemed
> that people believed this stuff, and assumed that
> although it wasn't happening to them, it must be 
> happening to one of their brothers.
> 
> My father was in Holland at the time, grew up in a
> professional family (all doctors and lawyers).  He
> remembers the disbelief, anger and fear.  For example
> when the NSP leader got 98% of the vote in favor of
> him in the Reichstag in 1936, the Dutch knew it was all propaganda.
> 
> There you have it, there is lots more that can be read 
> anywhere, outside the major newspapers.  Take it with a
> grain of salt, I have no allegiance, and am simply interested
> in seeing if history will repeat itself.  
> 
>  Cheers,
> Willblake2

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