[MD] Some historical perspective

[mark_maxwell at talktalk.net]

Greetings Marsha,
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'Here is how I define the Intellectual Level as s/o: the Intellectual Level is the subject/object level in that it contains patterns that are the reification of abstract concepts and symbols, and the rules (grammar, logic, mathematics) used for manipulating them.?
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squonk: It seems to me there may be a flaw in this definition (i may be wrong),?because that which is being defined, 'abstract concepts and symbols, and the rules (grammar, logic, mathematics) used for manipulating them', are not objects in a relationship with a subject. Rather, they [abstract concepts and symbols, and the rules (grammar, logic, mathematics) used for manipulating them] form relationships with each other within an isolated?realm of their own.

(This seems to be RMP's assertion anyway.)



This may beg the question: What delights in these relationships?

And i think the moq would state that 'delight' is an emotional response, that is to say, it is biological in nature. It is therefore the, 'Naked ape' which delights in 'abstract concepts and symbols, and the rules (grammar, logic, mathematics) used for manipulating them'.



All the best,

squonk







-----Original Message-----
From: Marsha <valkyr at att.net>
To: MoQ <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 4:36
Subject: Re: [MD] Some historical perspective



Greetings Squonk,?
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Here is how I define the Intellectual Level as s/o: the Intellectual Level is the subject/object level in that it contains patterns that are the reification of abstract concepts and symbols, and the rules (grammar, logic, mathematics) used for manipulating them.?
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Marsha?
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On Oct 17, 2009, at 11:23 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:?
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> squonk:?
> The moq does not state, 'the intellectual level is occupied by > subject/object metaphysics' because static intellectual patterns, > which are said to be the intellectual level in the moq, are abstract > symbols which include subjects and objects as well as 'other > patterns' which are neither subjects or objects.?
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> Examples of 'other patterns' include numbers and algebra which refer > to other abstract symbols and form relationships with each other: 2 > x 2 = 4 on their own terms regardless of what social context these > terms?
> exist in, and are therefore isolated within their own relationships > as intellectual patterns.?
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