[MD] irony and socrates

[Ian Glendinning]

No Bo,

I put scare quotes around my "made of", just as I did around your
"arrangement". Please stop "accusing me" of misunderstanding and
discuss the actual points. You arm waving use of the word
"arrangement" and "the greater MoQ" is all I am talking about, when we
"describe" the MoQ.

(I also said "consider", "talk-about" etc ...)

Clearly any S/O language or images can be potentially misleading about
things we'd rather not characterize as subjects or objects - that's
the story of MoQ-Discuss life. BUT ... what do we show to anyone who's
not been through 8 or 10 years of MD debate ... or an alien invented
language ... a "representation" of the MoQ.

Here Fred - this is what I'm talking about - let me sketch it for you
on the back of a napkin.

You arrangement simply doesn't "represent" the quality aspects -
they're kinda "everywhere and nowhere in the picture" - arm-waving /
finfer-pointing - which if you recall is where this debate started
with the Finger / Moon discussion and Paul Turner's discussion about
how to "represent" the MoQ "Terrain" in a picture or "Map". (Doesn't
have to be a 2D picture either.)

Regards
Ian

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:53 PM,  <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> For Ian
>
> 16 Oct. you wrote:
>
>> So, at last we return from whence we came  ...
>
> Agree, after more than 10 years! 1998 is the earliest archive date and
> about that time I began my SOList career.
>
>> All the interesting stuff (anything that's better than S/OM) is in
>> this thing you call the DQ/SQ "arrangement".
>
> No sarcasm Ian but the DQ/SQ arrangement is the MOQ itself, and
> it's no surprise that the levels are subsets of the greater Q-system
> called the Metaphysics of Quality.
>
>> Where is this "arrangement" what's it "made of" ?
>> And when we "consider" it, talk about it, debate it in our thoughts,
>> actions, experiences, writings and e-mails what do we call this
>> philosophical activity - this "quality thinking" beyond SOM Intellect
>
> Quality is Reality and no moqist (at least) asks what it is "made of",
> again you display the intellect=the thinking-faculty notion ....