[MD] Some historical perspective

Wed Oct 21 10:57:27 PDT 2009

Ron,

For me, what is most important is experience.   

Marsha   

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I just think that by creating new prejudices that transcend old prejudices
is simply re-decorating the prison cell.

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Marsha before:
Within the last few months I have come to the conclusion that, like Bo has
been arguing, that Intellectual patterns are ALL of the subject/object
type.  That is, Intellectual patterns are about the process that reifies
concepts and symbols to be acted upon by a independent self.  The pronouns
and nouns are a dead giveaway.  This is not from the MoQ point-of-view, but
from a SOM point-of-view.

Ron :
It is precisely this SOM point of view that MoQ rejects. The point of view
that is absolute,
cultural-centric and value-less.

Marsha:
Yup.  The SOM point-of-view is an illusion.

Ron:
It uncovers this "point of view" as an illusion. It is this point of view
that is rejected not
the interpretation of s/o. It makes s/o one of many pictures in a gallery,
one of "many truths".

Marsha:
I see it differently.  I see the MoQ's focus on value puts it far beyond som
and deserving a level separation.

Ron:
It is very tempting to want to make the MoQ a transcendant level, one
"above" intellect
it makes one feel superior to others, "enlightened" ..

Marsha:
Go read your rant of July 17th before you go insinuating something about
ego.    

Ron:
It think that way leads to ego gratification... smugness and elitism

Marsha:
You are so cute when you're throwing punches in the air.

Ron:
You may say that the self is an illusion, but that illusion sure gets 
pissed off when others disagree with it...it invents justifications
for it's "superior" point of view. A point of view built apon the
transcendance
of prejudices not the destruction of them.

Marsha:
You are not clear, but it sounds like you are caught in your own
projections.  Who's 'pissed off'?  Who is 'superior'?    

Ron:
I feel there is a distinction between the two.
and that distinction makes all the difference.

Marsha:
You are free to interpret what you feel in whatever way you think.  As I've
paraphrased Lila many times: reality is what ever you think it to be.

Marsha

p.s.  I've picked up my book and it looks delicious.  

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