[MD] Some historical perspective

Wed Oct 21 12:05:34 PDT 2009

Marsha:
Complementarity was not the word I found interesting, but the Bohr quote:
"We are suspended in language", and RMP stating that it is in agreement with
the MoQ. It's a revelation that makes many patterns shatter into a billion
pieces.  I don't think we can ever know what "reality" is, but we can
certainly get wiser by discovering what "reality" is not.  Haven't you ever
stopped midsentence when you realized that the statement you were in the
process of making was a pattern, some old tea again circling the cup. How
amusing 

    Ron:
Well sure I have, I think, what stands out in the quote:

"A third piece of evidence that reveals the similarity between the
Metaphysics of Quality and Complementarity occurs ...." 
  (SODV) 

Is the focus on the phrase :

"the similarity between the
Metaphysics of Quality and Complementarity"

means to me, that we are always limited by what
may be said about experience.

Not that all language, in all cases, objectifies experience.
Grammar, certainly attributes to the illusion. It lends creedance
to the assumptions made, but what Pirsig demonstrates is that
 a value centered assumption of reality describes the same
experience in the same language but with a different meaning.
Niether is more correct, like you said, because no one can ever
know what reality is, but they both, together may compliment each other
in terms of description. That SOM and MOQ, two different ways of dividing
up experience, together, are more inclusive than just one or the other.

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I simply quote, providing meaning to a term in your quote

"Complementarity" 

you are correct, there is no way I can lie about it.

how did you take the term to mean in the quote
from the SODV paper ? 

how was it supposed to support your view?

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It is whatever you think it to be, Ron, there's no way you can lie about it.

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"A third piece of evidence that reveals the similarity between the
Metaphysics of Quality and Complementarity occurs when Bohr says, "We are
suspended in language," the Metaphysics of Quality completely agrees."  
  (SODV) 

"In a general sense, the concept of complementarity is used with 
regard to contrasting or even contradictory concepts, models, 
theories and views that represent different perspectives on reality 
and that together are more comprehensive than any one of them alone."
-Wiki 

Ron:
Kinda goes against your own assertion
and supports my own.
That SOM is one of many types of intellectual patterns.

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