[MD] irony and Socrates

[John Carl]

Well, my crumpled SV 650 is testimony to my lack of common sense.
Sigh.  It seemed like such a good idea at the time.  My arguments were so
rational.  The payments on the bike were way less than the extra gas I was
spending in driving my work truck everyday, and the boss carried the tools
anyway...  And it was so much fun till a freshly oiled road and an oncoming
SUV turned the whole scheme into a mess.





On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:52 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> I soooo miss riding,,, at least behind someone who uses common sense.
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
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> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:58 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> > p.s.  I always thought the "fixing motorcycles" was analogy for
> > 'experiencing quality'.
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> >
> Maybe you're right.  I guess it depends.  I see mine crumpled suzuki and it
> brings tears to my eyes and guilt to my soul...  not to mention glares from
> my wife who wasn't fond of the whole motorcycle idea in the first place.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
> > [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:08 PM
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] irony and Socrates
> >
> > Marsha,
> > Welcome back, you were missed.  You bring out the most salient point for
> > me:
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> >
> > > The social values are right only if the individual values are right.
> >
> >
> > I believe individual values arise from social patterns, starting with the
> > most basic of all social interactions, mother and child.
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> >
> >
> > > The place to improve the world is first in one's own heart and head and
> > > hands, and then to work outward from there. Other people can talk about
> > how
> > > to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix
> a
> > > motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. "
> > >
> >
> > Well said rhetorically, Professor Pirsig, but dialectically deficient.
>  If
> > all you wanted to talk about was fixing motorcycles, none of us would be
> > here.
> >
> > I  agree that my own heart and hands can be the only possible starting
> > point, obviously.   But the mindfulness of how my actions will effect
> > others
> > and the bigger picture is vital for the evolution of the whole.
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