[MD] Essence of the MOQ

[plattholden at gmail.com]

Hey John Carl, 


On 22 Oct 2009 at 9:25, John Carl wrote:

> Platt,
>  "liking what we like" is an emotional response; you and I are in concord.

Could be emotional. Could be intellectual, too. Or aesthetic. Or a 
combination. Even inorganic magnets "like" iron, in their own way. 

> I used to think that Truth was the highest value of the 4th level.  But some
> great minds have overthrown the truth of their cultural context in order to
> bring out a higher truth that is apprehended first as an aesthetically -
> oriented urge.   Thus I'm of the mind that the Romantic aspect of
> mind/consciousness is primary to mental evolution, the place where the
> dynamic rubber intersects the metaphysical road.

Nice metaphor. We agree. The aesthetic urge drives evolution. (Lot's of 
good jokes there I'm sure.)

 > And all that classically
> oriented intellectual stuff  wherein we "make up reasons" comes later.  Thus
> my argument with Bo that SOM can't be the 4th level.  It's not even the
> primary aspect of the 4th level.

Ah, but it is. The higher truth of which you speak at once permeates and 
transcends all static levels.  


> Romantical/Dynamic individual realization followed by classical/static
> formulation to share with society.
> 
> When this new static pattern is introduced to society, it seems to the
> society "dynamic change", until accepted, and static dogma ever after.
> 
> An ongoing pattern of intellectual/social evolution which explains
> everything.
> 
> There.
> 
> John the satisfied

Me, too. Sort of. Sometimes I tell society to go to hell. Secrets can have 
great value. So can being right when all around you are wrong. Like the 
brujo. In every evolutionary step somebody had to be first. 

Regards,
Platt 






> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:16 PM, <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > All:
> >
> > Accidentally came upon the following quote that captured the essence of
> > the MOQ in a sentence:
> >
> > "Most of us, when all is said and done, like what we like and make up
> > reasons for it afterwords."  -- Soren F. Petersen
> >
> > A quick Google search didn't reveal much about who Petersen is (or
> > was), but he says value first, intellect after -- or as Pirsig put it when
> > someone sits on a hot stove:
> >
> > "But that the quality is low is absolutely certain. It is the primary
> > empirical reality from which such things as stoves and heat and oaths
> > and self are later intellectually constructed." (Lila, 5)
> >
> > Two expressions of the same metaphysics, where value precedes all
> > ideation.
> >
> > One expression I've heard that expresses the value-first reality: "I'm a
> > good (or not so good) place.
> >
> > Here's hoping you're in a good place today. Perhaps later we can talk.
> >
> > Platt