[MD] Some historical perspective

[mark_maxwell at talktalk.net]

I was asked a couple of questions off-list that i wish to answer on-list because i found them interesting. squonk. 


X: You said: 
Nietzsche suggests that the sophists and the philosophers were playing a game to try and out-do each other in order to establish who could produce the best rhetoric. The philosophers hammered their opponents with a new rhetorical move: Truth. 

Very interesting way of putting it.

Was SOM born at this time or just truth?

 

Squonk: Hi X,

To answer your question straight, it would seem that Truth existed prior to SOM at this time.

It may be helpful to consider where Plato appropriated Truth from: Geometry (Pythagoras 570CE - 495CE).

Hegel (1770 - 1831) takes it tha
 t ‘naked apes’ (a term coined by Desmond Morris in 1969 to describe the zoological situation of Humans in contemporary society) within social groups at this time did not experience themselves as individuals to anything like the degree we do today, if at all. This view seems to be inferred from the rhetoric of the period, for example Homer’s (850CD?) Iliad.

 

X: When did truth become divorced from quality?

Or was truth originally conceived as independent of quality? 

Best, 
X.




Squonk: I’m not sure Truth ever did become divorced from quality.

Truth is an expression of the beauty between symbolic relationships.



All the best,

squonk



X: You said: 
Nietzsche suggests that=2
 0the sophists and the philosophers were playing a game to try and out-do each other in order to establish who could produce the best rhetoric. The philosophers hammered their opponents with a new rhetorical move: Truth. 

Very interesting way of putting it.

Was SOM born at this time or just truth?

 

Squonk: Hi X,

To answer your question straight, it would seem that Truth existed prior to SOM at this time.

It may be helpful to consider where Plato appropriated Truth from: Geometry (Pythagoras 570CE - 495CE).

Hegel (1770 - 1831) takes it that ‘naked apes’ (a term coined by Desmond Morris in 1969 to describe the zoological situation of Humans in contemporary society) within social groups at this time
  did not experience themselves as individuals to anything like the degree we do today, if at all. This view seems to be inferred from the rhetoric of the period, for example Homer’s (850CD?) Iliad.

 

X: When did truth become divorced from quality?

Or was truth originally conceived as independent of quality? 

Best, 
X.




Squonk: I’m not sure Truth ever did become divorced from quality.

Truth is an expression of the beauty between symbolic relationships.



All the best,

squonk