[MD] Some historical perspective

[Ian Glendinning]

Of course Marsha, ie "not just" but "both & all"

All my argument with Bo is about is what to call those "soar with ...
xxx" patterns of activity ... how to represent them in a picture of
the MoQ.
Add "how should I continue to soar ..." to that list of here and now
decisions of daily life.
I wouldn't expect SOMist intellectual answers - not all decisions are
simple bifurcations.

I like to think of this as a "new & improved kind of MOQ-ish
intelligence" - something more than / better than SOMist intellect
clearly.

Ian

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:03 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> Ian,
>
> It seems obvious to me that intellectual patterns establish a self and an
> object for consideration/manipulation.  I haven't found an intellectual
> pattern yet that doesn't bifurcate in such a manner.
>
> As far as evaluating the merits of various patterns, once the nature of all
> patterns is understood, how much actual difference does it make?  And why?
> Leave those squabbling and soar with Johnathan.  Or in my case, soar with
> Ludwig. Isn't the idea to lift human understanding, not just to decide
> whether to have pancakes or democrats?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
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>
> Precisely my point Marsha.
>
> DQ "kills" intellect
> Intellectual PoV's are "superior" to social,
> Social PoV's are superior to .... etc .
>
> Absolutetly nothing here with which to recognize or evaluate the
> relative merits of different patterns of DQ.
> Is any and all DQ equally good ? Total relativism.
>
> This is just too simplistic an iterpretation of MoQ to be of practical
> value.
> Where is the "rationality" for real world decision-making - what is
> good, here, now, today my next meal, the next vote ?
>
> Ian
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> Ian,
>>
>> 'Cultural heritages and traditions' is really too general a term for
>> consideration.  Art, well, that belongs to the Code Of Art process.
>> Inferior is not a term I've used for 'cultural heritages and traditions.'
>  I
>> have stated clearly that a shaman may be immensely more intelligent than
> an
>> intellectual.
>>
>> It is my interpretation that at the moment(now) when action needs to be
>> taken one should drop the thinking/ evaluation and 'do the right thing',
>> "And what is good, Phædrus, And what is not good...  Need we ask anyone to
>> tell us these things?"  For me that is also the meaning of:
>>
>> "Kill all intellectual patterns.
>> Kill them completely
>> And then follow Dynamic Quality
>> And morality will be served."
>>
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
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