[MD] Some historical perspective

[MarshaV]

Maybe why 'superposition' has been of such interest to me.  Maybe from the
Quality-Level a superposition is established.  

Please present an intellectual static pattern of value that doesn't
represent a self that manipulates something.

Something better than intellectual patterns?  Activity based on caring.
Wouldn't that sort of represent arête?  Why struggle to transform
intellectual patterns when you can transcend them?  

Am I being too idealist?  I don't think so.





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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ian Glendinning
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Subject: Re: [MD] Some historical perspective

Of course Marsha, ie "not just" but "both & all"

All my argument with Bo is about is what to call those "soar with ...
xxx" patterns of activity ... how to represent them in a picture of
the MoQ.
Add "how should I continue to soar ..." to that list of here and now
decisions of daily life.
I wouldn't expect SOMist intellectual answers - not all decisions are
simple bifurcations.

I like to think of this as a "new & improved kind of MOQ-ish
intelligence" - something more than / better than SOMist intellect
clearly.

Ian

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:03 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> Ian,
>
> It seems obvious to me that intellectual patterns establish a self and an
> object for consideration/manipulation.  I haven't found an intellectual
> pattern yet that doesn't bifurcate in such a manner.
>
> As far as evaluating the merits of various patterns, once the nature of
all
> patterns is understood, how much actual difference does it make?  And why?
> Leave those squabbling and soar with Johnathan.  Or in my case, soar with
> Ludwig. Isn't the idea to lift human understanding, not just to decide
> whether to have pancakes or democrats?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ian
Glendinning
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:59 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MD] Some historical perspective
>
> Precisely my point Marsha.
>
> DQ "kills" intellect
> Intellectual PoV's are "superior" to social,
> Social PoV's are superior to .... etc .
>
> Absolutetly nothing here with which to recognize or evaluate the
> relative merits of different patterns of DQ.
> Is any and all DQ equally good ? Total relativism.
>
> This is just too simplistic an iterpretation of MoQ to be of practical
> value.
> Where is the "rationality" for real world decision-making - what is
> good, here, now, today my next meal, the next vote ?
>
> Ian
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> Ian,
>>
>> 'Cultural heritages and traditions' is really too general a term for
>> consideration.  Art, well, that belongs to the Code Of Art process.
>> Inferior is not a term I've used for 'cultural heritages and traditions.'
>  I
>> have stated clearly that a shaman may be immensely more intelligent than
> an
>> intellectual.
>>
>> It is my interpretation that at the moment(now) when action needs to be
>> taken one should drop the thinking/ evaluation and 'do the right thing',
>> "And what is good, Phædrus, And what is not good...  Need we ask anyone
to
>> tell us these things?"  For me that is also the meaning of:
>>
>> "Kill all intellectual patterns.
>> Kill them completely
>> And then follow Dynamic Quality
>> And morality will be served."
>>
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
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