[MD] Marsha's (s)OL: the question

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Marksmit

25 Oct. you said

> Hi Bodvar,
> Just an emotion, eh?    

It's difficult to communicate from MOQ's premises to your SOM-ish 
one .....

An aside: This is no insult, most people, even in this alleged MOQ 
discussion are SOMists in the sense of their focus being at the 
intellectual level.  

Your post is symptomatic, I did not say that love is JUST  an emotion" 
but you automatically categorized it that way, meaning "subjective", 
something going on in the mind of the person in love. Phaedru's 
original claim was that everything is Quality, and when P. of ZAMM 
was confronted by his colleagues their (SOM) claim was that quality is 
"just subjective".  

    The word was ``just.'' Why should Quality be just what you 
    like? Why should ``what you like'' be ``just''? What did ``just'' 
    mean in this case? 

But later with MOQ's DQ/SQ divide - and static levels - all phenomena 
in this world belong somewhere in the level hierarchy. Pirsig does notd  
say this but from MOQ's premises I place emotions with the social 
level. This 3rd. level is below the 4th. but definitely not "just", rather the 
base of the intellectual level.        

> A spark fired across a gap?  If you can explain that to me then  
maybe we'll get somewhere.      

This was me trying to be sarcastic, because most people want 
"intelectual" to be whatever SOM characterizes as "mental activity". 
Thus when a crow outside my window tilts its head speculating on how 
to reach some food, this is bird is an "intellectual"! 

> This so called intellect is just complex communication which is an
> extension of the so called emotion.  A way to share emotion if you
> will. 

The 4th. level is "out of" the 3rd, but definitely not "an extension" their 
morals are sharply demarkated and "no" the 4th level is NOT just 
anything, it's the highest static quality, namely the ability to distinguish 
between what is (in its own lingo) "just subjective" and what is 
"objectively true". And it has nothing to do with "sharing emotion", that 
is our social component's business.    

> This is why metaphysics based on the intellect as something  
different, something special, something exclusively human, falls apart.  

Here you show a "spark" of understanding  (;-) if this means that SOM 
"falls apart".(meaning the 4th. level as SOM not as a static level) 

> Not to say that our experience is not something grand, something
> special.  Our personal presence here is indeed that!  It's just
> explained in the wrong way. It's a self serving intellect; can only be. 

Well, whatever this means, until the Quality understanding of the 
intellectual level is established the MOQ remains a subset of SOM. 
You Marksmit show an interest so try to grasp this. Read and think 
before throwing yourself at the keyboard with you own counter-
arguments as most discussers do.

Bodvar