[MD] Some historical perspective

[mark_maxwell at talktalk.net]

Matt: (Side note to Squonk: "what SOM means by 'intellect'" 
_is_ what the MoQ means by spov and ipov. So 
technically, in this instance, Bo wasn't wrong in his 
formulation when you reminded us of the latter fact.

?

squonk: Hi Matt, 

For many years now, Bo has consistently conflated the terms, 'Mind' and 'Intellect'. 

I remind Bo he is wrong, as follows:

?

squonk prev:?



A) Mind = spov and ipov (for the moq)

?

I'd also mention that your use of the equal sign was 
ambiguous when alongside Bo's usage. In (A), the 
"mind" _is_ spov and ipov, but in (B) and (C), you did 
not mean "is," you meant "is _an_."

?

squonk: Yes. 

If social patterns may be thought of as symbolic, then intellectual patterns may be thought of as hyper-symbolic. 

SOM and the moq are both hyper-symbolic in nature:

?

squonk prev:

?

B) SOM is an ipov. (for the moq)

?

C) moq is an ipov (for the moq)

?

D) DQ = outside all sp's. (for the moq)

?

Bo wants to say, as ambiguously in your (B), that SOM _is_ ipov, but if I'm 
not mistaken you, like most, agree with Pirsig that SOM _is an_ ipov, rather than the whole kit and caboodle.)

?

squonk: Bang on. 

Bo's strategy of attrition involves incessant repetion?while ignoring arguments presented to him until people disengage through boredom, and/or frustration. Bo then claims disengagement to be a vindication of his position.

Ten years of that is a bit much for me.



All the best,

squonk?