[MD] Some historical perspective

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Marksmit

29 Oct. :

Bo before:
> > I would of course wanted a more radical formulation "Intellect
> > occurred  when language's words became abstract symbols symbolizing
> > some  non-symbolic reality. Yours sounds as if there was an "intellect"
> > in  beforehand that "began the process" (there was an intelligence) You
> > see how Pirsig's own definition of the 4th. level (in the Turner letter)

    "The skilled manipulation of abstract symbols that have no  
    corresponding particular experience and which behave  
    according to rules of their own."  

> > No that's impossible because the term "symbol" indicates the said 
> > dualism, as does "subject", "mind" ...etc. why I call them
> > aggregates,  you can't have one without the other. 


 markhsmit:
> What the heck are you talking about Bo, are you completely
> insane?  You quote something from Pirsig and then say that
> it is impossible to talk about? 

I spent so much time on you because you showed a true interest in the 
MOQ, but it isn't every day that one reality is replaced by another and 
the SOM-MOQ transition can't be done "before breakfast" 

>  What was Pirsig doing barking?  Get your wits about you man.  I know
> exactly what Pirsig is saying, but I think he is mistaken. I was asking
> for examples to see if I was wrong. 

I'm hard pressed and may have misunderstood so if you (too) regard 
the above Pirsig definition as wrong .... fine 

Intellect occurred as what ZAMM describes as SOM. Read that!   

Bodvar