[MD] The 4th. level's two interpretations. Part 2

Fri Oct 30 22:45:44 PDT 2009

Mark,

Everybody has a different interpretation.  What do you see as the difference
between reality and quality?  For me they are the same.

Marsha  

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Marsha,
For me experience equals reality and quality.
Willblake2

On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:27:45 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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Subject:    Re: [MD] The 4th. level's two interpretations. Part 2
Date:   October 30, 2009 7:27:45 AM PDT
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Squonk, 

The MoQ "postulates" that reality equals value/experience/quality. For me
reality equals experience, patterned experience and unpatterned experience. 

Marsha 

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Bo: 
'SOM is not "mind", rather the mind/matter distinction...' 

Hello Bo, 
Metaphysics is an intellectual activity. 
Therefore, Intellectuality precedes that which it creates, in this case,
S/O. 

Bo: 
'...and from inside SOM - the intellectual level - the term "intellect"
indicates the mind part. 

squonk: This statement places, 'that which intellectuality creates' within,
'that which intellectuality creates'. 
Ron presents you with its consequence. 

Ron: 
Therefore to understand your version of the MoQ, we'd have to be out of our
minds. 

Bo: 
'Well, you have a point, the MOQ rejects the mind/matter split as 
existence's fundament.' 

Squonk: Both SOM and the moq are creations of intellectuality. Therefore,
one does not have to be 'out of ones mind' in order to flip between them;
one simply adopts a different set of intellectual positions. 

Bo: 
'.thus there is no mind (nor matter) outside the intellectual level.' 

Squonk: That's right: Mind is a creation of the intellectual level. Being a
creation of the intellectual level, the intellectual level can not be mind. 

All the best, 
squonk 

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