[MD] QRE: The 4th. level's two interpretations. Part 2

[mark_maxwell at talktalk.net]

Marsha:
You've explained nothing about what democracy symbolizes, and I don't consider that you've explained how it is manipulated, either.

Hi Marsha,
This may be an example of what philosophers call a Universal.
Universals symbolise an essence.
Essences are a process of manipulation of pre-existing symbols.

Marsha:
I am not a mind-reader.

Squonk:
I shall do my best to remember this.

Marsha:
If you think that democracy is an example of a symbol that is not a subject or an object, I do not agree.
What you've done was provide a symbol that represents nothing since you have not explained it or its process. An incomplete premise leads nowhere.

Squonk:
Universals obey their own rules.
Their premises are recognised as common features present in multiple examples.
As such they are neither subjects nor objects.

Marsha:
I think your statement of fallaciousness is wishful thinking, and I think an emerging Quality Level makes clearer the distinction between subject/objects and quality, between thing-in-itself and process, and description and experience.

Squonk:
If there are present within the intellectual level patterns which are neither subjects nor objects then any belief that objects to this may be regarded as fallacious.
　
Marsha:
Acutely? Challenged, but not settled.

Squonk:
Give me credit for not insisting I’m right, even if I am?

Marsha:
Not experience, Squonk, that's in your opinion, backed up by more opinion. I have my opinion too, and it disagrees with yours.

Squonk:
Opinion relies upon experience.

Marsha:
I believe the subject was similarity between the MoQ and the principle of complementarily.

Squonk:
Your objection confirms the discrete nature of intellectual and social patterns.

Marsha:
Since that is not what I suggested, I'll ignore the rest because it is comments on what was misunderstood. The I used for the Social Level was unconscious, that would be without awareness or cognition, unknowingly.

Squonk:
If Cosmological, Geometric and Mathematic symbols are being used in Ancient Greece, ‘without awareness or cognition, unknowingly’ they are still intellectual patterns.

Marsha: Your confusing the som point-of-view and the quality point-of-view demonstrates the need for the Quality Level to be differentiated from the Intellectual s/o Level. Subjects and objects are a case of mistaken identity.

Squonk:
If there are, as I think has been demonstrated, symbols which are neither subjects nor objects, then your position is fallacious.

All the best,
Squonk