[MD] [MD} The relativity of the MoQ

[MarshaV]

Bo,
 
If you think I'd support you just because you are persistent and patient, I
WOULD NOT. I agree that the Intellectual Level is the subject/object level.
I also agree that the MoQ, when not being objectified by intellectualizing,
should reign above the Intellectual Level.  After that the interpretation
and words that we use to may be quite different.  And frankly my dear, I
don't give a damn!  It's quite ridiculous to use a language that objectifies
to describe interrelated, ever-changing processes that are beyond
dissection.  


Marsha

        






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John, Marsha and Multitude

31 Aug. 

John:
> I've been stacking pipes on a hill. Conditions here are nice right now.
> I've been thinking a bit about Bo too. 

Marsha:
> Bo takes so much heat, and is so persistent and patient, that I just
> felt the need to support him. 

Thanks Marsha, but no thanks. 

> Something today has me thinking along the same lines:  My objecting to
> Objectivism. 
 
Objectivism  (Rationality) along with subjectivism (Irrationality) is what 
the MOQ rejects  AS REALITY'S GROUND and makes into (the value 
of) its intellectual level. In the following I'll use this variety of the
S/O.

SOM emerged as rationality, but simultaneously irrationality emerged, 
it's what darkness is to light, what intellect contemptuously called the 
past (what we know as the Social level). Thus irrationality is part of 
intellect's repertoire, and why I call it the value of the distinction (the 
elements themselves has no existence) The Social level is from before 
intellect and consequently knows no "irrationality" and dislikes being 
called so (by intellect)  the devout believer says that God is beyond 
rationality's "jurisdiction", God is neither objective nor subjective. 

And s/he is right, what God really is the MOQ has no opinion about 
(real/irreal is intellect's business) it just says that rationality is a
higher 
static good. We may however have dynamic insights and raptures 
where all static patterns are transcended, but these  do not transcend 
the MOQ, because it IS the Dynamic/Static distinction itself. Here's 
where Pirsig went too far from fear of not sounding "dynamic" enough.   

Most of the alleged moqists claim that the intellectual level is a mental 
realm of ideas, SOM one idea, the MOQ another. I don't call them - 
Ron f.ex -  stupid, but something important is missing in their 
understanding. Mental/Corporeal is another S/O and what the MOQ 
rejects as fundamental consequently there is no idea realm different 
from a material ditto  -  outside of the 4th. level, that is.   


Bodvar 









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