[MD] concerning SOL??

[Steve Peterson]

Hi Ron, (Marsha,)


On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:32 PM, X Acto wrote:

> "In philosophy, an objective fact means a truth that remains true 
> everywhere,
> independently of human thought or feelings. For instance, it is true 
> always
> and everywhere that 'in base 10, 2 plus 2 equals 4'. A subjective fact 
> is
> one that is only true under certain conditions, at certain times, in
> certain places, or for certain people."
> -wiki
>
> Ron:
> I charge Bo with this line of thinking concerning all living beings, 
> anywhere
> in the universe, that they see and think in terms of "subjects and 
> objects"
> That this Objective fact, IS the intellectual level.

Steve:
I completely agree that it sounds very strange to say that the 
intellectual level is a single fact/value rather than the collection of 
ALL intellectual patterns of value. Certainly the habit of mind that 
involves asking "is this subjective or objective?" is one such pattern 
of value, but it is just one. Asking this question is not the only 
habit of mind/pattern of thought/intellectual pattern of value/pattern 
of manipulating symbols that stand for patterns of experience. 
Unfortunately, Bo has gotten stuck on defining the levels as each 
having a single value rather than collections of patterns of value of 
four types as Pirsig has defined his MOQ. Of course Bo is welcome to 
develop his own MOQ, but he has not demonstrated to me that thinking of 
each level as "the value of X" has much value, though he insists that 
doing so is the only way for an MOQ to make progress. It sounds like 
you are having the same frustration.

Best,
Steve