[MD] MOQ: Treatment of Opposites

[John Carl]

How amazing, how amazing!

Hard to comprehend that nonsentient beings expound the Dharma.

It simply cannot be heard with the ear,

But when sound is heard with the eye, then it is understood.

                                       Tung-shan


Is the cosmos that seem so "out there" also "in here" as well?

That which is the all, is also of the self, the division between the two a
matter of choice.

What of physical experiments hinting of connections between the world and
the mind that have no explanation other than an heretofore unexplained
connection between mind and matter?

What of Biocentricism?

What of all the cosmos that resides thought?

What of all the thoughts that reside in a cosmos?

The relation between the mental and the physical is as hard for mind to
apprehend as it is for a fish to apprehend water.


On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM, markhsmit <markhsmit at aol.com> wrote:

I wouldn't call my search a mind altering shortcut, as that would imply
> a physical basis to the mind.  What I have learned is that there is no
> such physical basis to it, in a similar way to your Essence.



WB2]

 I do have glimpses of
> another way, which is magnificent and incredibly foreign at the same
> time.  To each his own.
>
>
>
Ham]


> I say this because
> the biological organism on which you depend for sensory information is
> simply not capable of transcending its finite nature,
>

John]

What Ham meant to say was, "the biological organism which *I* choose to
believe in is incapable of transcending *my* finite nature - because I don't
want it to.

Ham]


> and because subjective
> awareness is a negated "other" which cannot co-exist with its not-other
> source.
>

John translates more Ham]

So therefore I shall now retreat to my subjective confusion, in the hope
that you will keep me company so I can berate you for doing so


Ham]


> The only link we have to Essence is its Value, and we can only
> sense Value as an "external agent", not "become" it.
>


John]


A fish would never become water, but an enlightened fish knows what
surrounds it and in whom it has its being.


Ham]

But acknowledging your
> longing for the source from which you are estranged is a seminal step in
> developing a personal philosophy.
>
> I'm afraid you'll have to satisfy that longing conceptually, with a
> metaphysical paradigm intuitively constructed that makes sense and has
> meaning for you. Indeed, this is the role philosophy has always played in
> human understanding.
>

John's translation of Ham]

I'd rather live in the conceptual world and construct metaphysical paradigms
out of big strings of confusing words. I'm Ham!  I project confusion!

John]

I'm John!  I swim with the fishes and drink when I'm thirsty.

 And read Chinese poetry when I'm confused by Ham.