[MD] concerning SOL??

[Joseph Maurer]

On 9/5/09 7:31 AM, "X Acto" <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

Bo:
 
Paul Turner weren't able to reconciliate ZAM's moq and the MOQ and
left. DMB also saw that his Jamesian travesty couldn't explain a single
thing and left. That's the way it is, no one admits anything just leaves
in hurt silence.   
 
Ron:
I think you interpret anothers frustration at your inability to be little
more than
a skipping record, as a victory!   you excell at insults and your elaborate
single minded
 constructions of conflagulation  are most artistic and creative.
 
 
you are quite a politican, spin is your thang
 
you never have been able to answer why and how adopting SOL would change our
culture
and our lives from the way they are right now.
 
how do you apply SOL in your life?
 
in what way do we benefit by interpreting reality in terms of DQ/SQ?
 
and don't say I'm an idiot for asking that question, I am an idiot Bo,
please explain in what way SOL changes the way things are right now.
 
thanks
 

Hi Ron, Bo, and All,

I am very happy that Bo has reinterpreted SOL.  All my life I have seen it
as Shit Outta Luck!  Thanks Bo!

DQ/SQ evolution is a little different from S/O.  I refuse to accept I am
indefinable.  I don¹t have a right to Pirsig¹s ³MOQ² to substitute for ³I²,
so I have to make it personal.

Joe


> Bo:
> 
> Paul Turner weren't able to reconciliate ZAM's moq and the MOQ and
> left. DMB also saw that his Jamesian travesty couldn't explain a single
> thing and left. That's the way it is, no one admits anything just leaves
> in hurt silence.    
> 
> Ron:
> I think you interpret anothers frustration at your inability to be little more
> than
> a skipping record, as a victory!   you excell at insults and your elaborate
> single minded
>  constructions of conflagulation  are most artistic and creative.
> 
> 
> you are quite a politican, spin is your thang
> 
> you never have been able to answer why and how adopting SOL would change our
> culture
> and our lives from the way they are right now.
> 
> how do you apply SOL in your life?
> 
> in what way do we benefit by interpreting reality in terms of DQ/SQ?
> 
> and don't say I'm an idiot for asking that question, I am an idiot Bo,
> please explain in what way SOL changes the way things are right now.
> 
> thanks
> 
 
> On 4 Sep 2009 at 9:57, Steve Peterson wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bo,
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:47 AM, skutvik at online.no wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Steve
>>> 
>>> 2 Sep. you wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I completely agree that it sounds very strange to say that the
>>>> intellectual level is a single fact/value rather than the
>>>> collection of ALL intellectual patterns of value.
>>> 
>> Bo:
>>> Do you find it strange that all biological patterns are about one
>>> single fact/value: LIFE?
>> 
>> Steve:
>> Here you are pretty much saying that all biological patterns are
>> biological since biology means having to do with life. All biological
>> patterns have something to do with life just as all intellectual
>> patterns have to do with using symbols, but life is not the only
>> value on the biological level. For example, "might makes right"
>> describes a biological pattern that is not equivalent to "the value
>> of life." Hunger is a biological pattern of value that is not
>> equivalent to life. Killing is a biological pattern that is not
>> equivalent to life. So I would never define the biological level as
>> "the value of life" but instead define it as the collection of all
>> biological patterns of value.
>> 
>> 
>>> Steve said:
>>>> Certainly the habit of mind that involves asking "is this 
>>>> subjective or
>>>> objective?" is one such pattern of value, but it is just one.
>>> 
>> Bo:
>>> It was SOM (represented by his colleagues) that asked Phaedrus this
>>> question and the fact that they saw it as a dilemma shows that it
>>> was regarded unavoidable - Quality HAD to fit the S/O matrix -
>>> something that shows that it was the ONLY way of thinking there
>>> were.
>> 
>> Steve:
>> Note that this question did not occur to Pirsig in his initial 
>> musings on Quality. Instead it occurred to some of his colleagues as
>> a way to challenge what he was saying. Was Pirsig not participating
>> in intellectual patterns before he tried to answer this question?
>> You've limited intellect to asking yourself a single question about
>> objectivity versus subjectivity. Certainly asking this one question
>> is not the only intellectual pattern. I never ask it when I'm
>> factoring a polynomial for example or when I'm trying to decide
>> whether I should be using the word "who" or "whom" when I am
>> constructing a sentence. In fact, I'm only asking this question when
>> I happen to be asking this question.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Steve
>> 
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