[MD] 'Uncertainty

[MarshaV]

Greetings Ian,

It is too bad the physicist cannot climb outside of their indoctrination to
hear how some of those explanations sound to the non-scientist.  Voodoo!
But I suppose that goes for metaphysics too. 

Very nice review for an excellent book.  I might like to read some of the
other books you've mentioned.  

I've been thinking about Einstein's need for determinism, and 'cause and
effect'.  Maybe something like 'an event comes into being by a complexity of
quality (context)' seems to move past determinism and more reflects the 'net
of jewels' model of experience.  Just playing with words...  

I'm now starting to read Matt's suggestion, 'In Defence of Rhetoric' by
Brian Victers.  I'm looking forward to seeing Plato trounced.


Marsha




-----Original Message-----
From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ian Glendinning
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:37 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] 'Uncertainty

Hi Marsha, I guess that's an impossible question, since an open, but
sceptical mind might not be "indoctrinated", particularly if the
"teachers" were of a wiser philosophical kind ?

I think the "indoctrination" actually happens much more informally
through memes in the wider public consciousness. I think anyone
seriously researching a subject, like yourself who "really wants to
know", would tend not to be brainwashed.

I blogged a review after finishing Lindley's book.
http://www.psybertron.org/?p=2639

Regards
Ian

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:34 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> And Ian,
>
> How about renormalization?  Is that like Quantum meditation, where you
kill
> off intellectual patterns starting with the inconvenient ones?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of MarshaV
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:33 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] 'Uncertainty
>
> Ian,
>
> Here is what has me curious.  I have watched three lecture series (36
hours
> total) on slightly different aspects of Quantum Theory, and read two books
> on the history of the Copenhagen Interpretation, and seem to have retained
a
> beginner's mind: Huh?  Now what if I went back to University for six years
> to study Quantum Theory?  After six years of indoctrination what would
> happen to beginner's mind?  When would 'Huh?' begin to transform into the
> indoctrinated reality?
>
> Then I also wonder if I were indoctrinated, for six years, into using a
> non-Euclidean geometry explained in pig-Latin, what, when, where, why and
> how long would it take 'Huh?' to transform into the indoctrinated reality?
> Or maybe just subjecting myself to begin a six-year indoctrination would
be
> a major step in the conversion?
>
> I really want to know?
>
>
> Marsha
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