[MD] The relativity of the MoQ

[John Carl]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:45 AM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

> John, Marsha,
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before enlightenment
> chop wood, carry water
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> after enlightenment
> chop wood, carry water
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Lu  "loves" this saying because I spout it at her every time she has to get
water (our well doesn't work) or carry wood (we don't have central heating,
just a woodstove)

I tell her, "hon, you're gettin' a two-fer".

She's not normally all that pleased but she does possess a certain resigned
cheerfulness to the situation that, if it isn't exactly enlightened, it's
close enough for me.  Definitely a 360 zen woman.



> that being said, that by only concerning
> ourselves with the path to enlightenment,
> we only realize half the journey.
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I'm sure Lu would agree with you and use this admonition to get me off my
lazy butt and fix her well for her or bring the firewood onto the porch.

Fortunately, we hardly ever have to do both.  In the summer we don't need a
fire and during the cold winter rains we catch enough off the roof that we
don't have to think about hauling water.

There's always a bright side. Which may not be exact enlightenment, but once
again, close enough for me.

John the easily pleased


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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 1:21:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] The relativity of the MoQ
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> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:55 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> > Greetings Arlo,
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> > . -  I still have no idea where Andre's "slightly worried" is
> > directed, especially as it was in response to a post I sent.
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> Well I think I know.  I was just reading a
> book<http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=6735>about Zen
> and I don't have it with me or I'd quote you the passage, but
> basically, after all this discipline, effort, training and work, the
> Enlightened One finds he has gotten absolutely nowhere!
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> Andre, probably, if he's at all like me, looks at this equation and thinks,
> "can I just take a short-cut or something?"
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> And I say, YES!  Go ahead Andre  It's your path, you do what you want.
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> >  Do you have
> > any idea?  180-degree Zen and 360-degree Zen seems to be some kind of
> > abstract, symbolic Zen language.
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> I'd say 180 zen is for those going in the wrong direction and 360 is for
> those who are basically headed in the right direction, but want smoother
> circles in their life.  But I'm more of an up-and-down kinda guy myself.
> The spinning circles aren't as much fun as roller coasters, but they all go
> in a circle of some kind so... its pretty inescapable eh?
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> Do you think one needs to join a Zen
> > community, to 'get it'?  I might have thought so at one time, but I do
> not
> > anymore.
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> Well traditionally speaking, Zen has always passed through a community, a
> school.  All of its classic literature is compiled and passed along as a
> communal effort, even though the effort of writing is always a solitary
> activity, the writer is composing for a reader in his imagination or why
> even bother?
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> John the butter-inner
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